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  • #31
    Re: Japanese cars and reliability...

    This is simply a commone sens arguement. Foreign cars compared to domestics, and which one can go longer without an oil change. Nothing against anyone, but if you don't change your oil at the MOST ever 6k miles, you're running a risk of blowing it up, whether its a Ford Pinto or a Toyota Tacoma. Only reason why I like American Big 3 cars and trucks is because they are made here, by union workers. There are some that say that union workers are making sub-par cars and trucks, but the best transmission in the world is made in the USA, by union workers, known as the Allison transmission. THAT is the most indestructable object known to man. When I do get the money, im planning on a GMC 2500 with an Allison 1000 tranny.

    If you feel that abusing a car to death is a way to gauge the durability of the vehicle, then by all means do what you have to do. Im just saying that if you keep with the preventative maintenence i.e. oil changes, fuel filters, sparkplugs, you will have a vehicle that will last a long time, regardless who makes it. Its really just common sense. With the price of cars and trucks being what they are now, why would you want to risk missing on some easy and cheap preventative maintenence?

    I have a Monte Carlo that is roughly 13 years old, and has had all sorts of goofy problems. Ball joint failure, battery cable failure, lower intake air leak, alternator went out, probably only $1000 worth of major repairs done to it, and only $1000 because quality parts are inexpensive to come across for a domestic, compared to a foreign car. The Monte has 105k on it, I had it since it had 48k.

    BTW, LD, it can be somewhat common to have a vehicle over 1 million miles. I knew several couriers who had '85 and '87 Chevy Vans with over 1 million, and only have to replace the occaisional starter or alternator, which was cake on a van. They easily put 200 miles a day on these things going from Illinois to Ohio in the same day.

    Just take care of your car the way the manufacturer says, and this really becomes a mute point. If you're a lazy *** who doesn't want to do that, then you deserve a broken down car.
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    • #32
      Re: Japanese cars and reliability...

      Originally posted by Vracer111
      I don't think it is that American cars are crap for mechanical reliability, it's that they are subpar for living with day in/day out. Cheaper interiors that aren't solid for a long enough time.
      I don't think Jap car makers have anything to brag about when it comes to interiors... Have you sat in or test drove any Jap cars latley? Even their trucks...

      Originally posted by Vracer111
      Not to mention I like small, lightweight vehicles and all US manufacturers haven't made a small-lightweight hatchback worth anything, ever. Where is the American answer to the CRX Si or Corolla GTS, 20 years later and nothing?
      But seriously, what does Honda, Toyota or Nissan offer these days for a small light-weight vehicle?

      Originally posted by Vracer111
      And if you want durable....Toyota Tacoma's are pretty much hard to go wrong with. One of the guys told me with his old Tacoma he only changed the oil 9 times in 200k miles.... daily driver with no issues. I'd never do that with my Tacoma, but I've heard lots of similar stories... of the amount of abuse they can take and still keep on going.
      Yet, theres always someone with a story for the other side. Hear-say means squat. If you take care of your car, it should last you, unless you get F*cked with a lemon like me.

      I think my hypothesis as described in my last paragraph of the first post is still true, but of course, its just my opinion... :)
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      • #33
        Re: Japanese cars and reliability...

        I agree with the owner theory...

        I owned a 84 Delta 88, 210K miles, ran like new, literally I never put $1 into anything besides oil changes, and drove it for almost 20K miles before I wrecked it. However, my friend had a 83 Delta 88, 160K miles that broke down all the time...

        and for foreign quality, I had a 94 Camry, everything was literally falling apart w/ 140K on it

        it really depends on the regular maintainence/drivers care
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        • #34
          Re: Japanese cars and reliability...

          Originally posted by JusFlyinBy



          But seriously, what does Honda, Toyota or Nissan offer these days for a small light-weight vehicle?
          Honda has the Civic, Fit, Insight (2006 was last production year though), and S2000...

          Toyota has the Camry, Matrix, Prius, Rav4, and Yaris... and in their Scion division they have the xA, xB, tC, and the xD...

          Nissan has the Sentra, and Versa...

          Just answering your question... :)

          I find it interesting that no one has really mentioned Mazda or Mitsubishi... possibly cause they share most of their powertrains with domestic auto makers...? (Ford & Chrysler)


          I think most can agree that it depends on the driver... but personally if i wanna get a grocery getter that'll hardly burn any gas... can't hardly beat the rice burners... but if i wanna haul something or take home some impressive times from the track... domestic is hard to beat...


          yeah that's my last two cents... this argument is gettin kinda old...:rolleyes:

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          • #35
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            for the comment on grocery getter I think I could find domestic cars better for that due to size. My previous car (2000 malibu) had plenty of room and got 32 mpg. Now i did regular oil changes and bought one set of brake pads... other then that and a cold air intake the car was perfect. Had 110k when i sold it to my step brother. The only reason i don't prefer jap cars is for the simple fact later on down the road i feel that when you do have problems its an easier fix on domestic than foreign
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            • #36
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              My 1997 Camaro has 145,000 miles and it, she still runs great in problems that I have had with her are a few leaks here in there. Nothing to big like right now there is small oil leak that I need to fix.. But other than that the engine still runs strong as hell.

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              • #37
                Re: Japanese cars and reliability...

                People keep mentioning an arguement... seems to me everyone agrees for a change...


                Originally posted by SSMOWS6
                i mean, you can always fly wes out there and since he's a tool sometimes, fashion him into a plow for the maro
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                • #38
                  Re: Japanese cars and reliability...

                  ya..... weird huh?

                  current car- 95 Trans am- bolt ons, parked and collecting dust. why? because **** it

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                  • #39
                    Re: Japanese cars and reliability...

                    Originally posted by CoasterKev06
                    Honda has the Civic, Fit, Insight (2006 was last production year though), and S2000...

                    Toyota has the Camry, Matrix, Prius, Rav4, and Yaris... and in their Scion division they have the xA, xB, tC, and the xD...

                    Nissan has the Sentra, and Versa...

                    Just answering your question... :)
                    Small light weight vehicle = Fit, Yaris, and the Versa. Oh yea, can't forget them crazy Scion's lol.

                    Other than the Hybrids, I'd say with the rest you listed, theres a domestic comprable car for each of those. I mean, thats stretching it a bit with the Aveo, if you can even count that :p. But Civic, Sentra, Matrix, Camry, Rav 4, Yaris, tC, S2000... Those def have a domestic counter part.

                    And nah, I don't think its an argument. Just a discussion. I haven't seen any import or domestic bashing yet. Plus I do see a lot of agreement, just said in different ways. :)
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                    • #40
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                      I think GM finally got the message and stopped letting the accountants make engineering decisions. I think the differences between imports and domestics comes down to how the companies operate which in turns affects how they build the cars. GM is more than able to build a top notch very reliable car, but it comes at a price most were not willing to pay. It basically boils down to the cost to produce the car. The domestics had poor management in the past and now there paying the price for it. The imports can build cars in the USA cheaper than the domestics. Toyota doesn't have the unions to deal with like GM which add a lot of $$ to the cost of the vehicle. I work for a healthcare insurer and I only wish I had the same healthcare coverage as a GM union workers. I believe it was figured out around $3000 in the price of each new vehicle goes towards healthcare at gm. I don't think the imports pay anywhere near that. I think the domestics finally caught on and there cars will continue to improve. Its just going to take a while before the old feelings towards them go away. I never lost hope and think my new 07 GMC Envoy could compete with anything for asia.
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                      • #41
                        Re: Japanese cars and reliability...

                        Originally posted by JusFlyinBy
                        I buy a brand new suby, and its being towed to the dealer as we speak. 11,000 miles and it has a horrible knock and almost total loss of engine power. Not to mention, the tranny felt like it was slipping since 6 kmi, but it was always chalked off as my imagination because it doesn't throw a code. Well lemme tell ya, its not throwing a code now either, and it sounds like its going to throw a piston through my hood.
                        Out of curiosity, which Subaru do you have? I have a 02 WRX that I bought new, it has over 200 launches on the drag strip and it's only been in the shop for clutches. I haven't broken anything else on the car. This is with consistent 1.8x 60' times and 13.4-13.5 runs.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Japanese cars and reliability...

                          He has a BL Legacy 2.5i

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                          • #43
                            Re: Japanese cars and reliability...

                            Originally posted by drkicker
                            Out of curiosity, which Subaru do you have? I have a 02 WRX that I bought new, it has over 200 launches on the drag strip and it's only been in the shop for clutches. I haven't broken anything else on the car. This is with consistent 1.8x 60' times and 13.4-13.5 runs.
                            What Hokie said. And I never said Subaru's are junk. I already said im sure its a lemon, a fluke. Im prob going to trade this one in for the Spec B after getting them to drop the price a bit. If something goes wrong with that, I'll never buy a Suby again, thats just how it works.

                            Originally posted by HokieBird
                            He has a BL Legacy 2.5i
                            You even know the BL code for the car... I was dumb enough to think people in here wouldn't understand the piston thru fender thing. Man was I wrong, lol.
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                            • #44
                              Re: Japanese cars and reliability...

                              Originally posted by JusFlyinBy
                              What Hokie said. And I never said Subaru's are junk. I already said im sure its a lemon, a fluke. Im prob going to trade this one in for the Spec B after getting them to drop the price a bit. If something goes wrong with that, I'll never buy a Suby again, thats just how it works.

                              You even know the BL code for the car... I was dumb enough to think people in here wouldn't understand the piston thru fender thing. Man was I wrong, lol.
                              Maybe they'll cut you a deal on the Spec B since you've had such trouble with this one. I'm planning to upgrade to either a Spec B or GT Limited next year. And yes, some of us caught the fender reference (luckily I've never seen it though).

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                              • #45
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                                I know a guy down in Harrisonburg who just swapped over to a 07 GT because his 06 was having transmission issues that they couldn't solve. Apparently, Subaru of America gave him a really good deal. It's worth talking to a rep if that is something you would be interested in.

                                I'm actually about to make a post over in other rides that will explain why I know it's a BL. :D

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