Whats wrong with today

[Fireball27]

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The only thing that remains the same is that all things are changing. Everything changes and will continue to change. What we complain about now compared to the past will be forgotten 1,000 years from now. They will say that the year 2050 was better then 3000 because of certain things.

People will always complain about things, but i think in general people ***** and whine more about trivial things that just didn't matter in the "old" days. These days it seems people have almost nothing better to do than be offended and/or whine about things... like how people get offended too easily :D

All things are relative, and it seems nowadays people live such secure lives that what is "dangerous" today is entirely different to what people in the 50s percieved as dangerous. Take auto racing for example:
In the 1950s-70s over 50 F1 drivers died behind the wheel, and up until the beginning of the 70s nobody really cared that much. Sure it would be sad, but they just soldiered through it (the movie Grand Prix captured this mentality quite well). It wasn't until efforts by Jackie Stewart and Niki Lauda to make F1 safer for the drivers and Lauda's horrific crash at the Nurburgring did saftey begin to become important in motor racing. Nowadays F1 is a far safer sport, yet people still would consider it "dangerous" even tho nobody has died behind the wheel of an F1 car since 1994.

Stirling Moss summed it up quite nicely once: "People would always ask me: 'wasn't it dangerous?' to which i'd always reply: 'heavens no.' You have to remember, this was the first time in 10 years that nobody was shooting at us."

[black98V6]

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ya know this whole discussion on how we as a society has been changing is at the core of something I have been thinking about for quite some time. To say something is worse than it was in the past or better than it was in the past is all relative. When my parents were young people were scared to death of their childern getting polio. Today it's a non-issue. Back then no one worried about their kids getting shot in school or standing at the buss stop, today parents worry every day.

Our children will face a totally different world than we do today. It won't be violence the way we have it today. In the 50's the fear of violence was that we would be vaporized by bombs from afar, today it's whether we will be shot by some pissed off or strung out driver on the way to work. In the future it will likely be a fear of someone releasing a super virus in a city center.

In the end though I think our society is on a pendelum but one that gains energy as it moves. Each time we swing in one direction and start moving back in the opposite direction we move a little farther the other way, when we come back where we started we move a little further.

I don't know when or if it will stop but I'm sure at some point we will go too far one way and never get the chance to come back in the other direction.

[Camarorulz]

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Originally posted by Fbody3400
Its all oh-so-much deeper then that though. Kids 'back in the day' could be paddled in school for acting like an idiot. Now-a-days, kids who act like idiots get a detention, then skip the detention, and so on. They will act up because they perceieve the authority to be weak (like you said), which they are.

Exactly, so how does that advance the argument that more laws lead to more violence? The problem isn't governmental, it's societal, which is basically what I've been saying all along.

[Camarorulz]

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Originally posted by Fbody3400
Its all oh-so-much deeper then that though. Kids 'back in the day' could be paddled in school for acting like an idiot. Now-a-days, kids who act like idiots get a detention, then skip the detention, and so on. They will act up because they perceieve the authority to be weak (like you said), which they are.

Exactly, so how does that advance the argument that more laws lead to more violence? The problem isn't governmental, it's societal, which is basically what I've been saying all along.

You missed my point about Columbine: those kids didn't care about authority one way or another, they were going to kill themselves in the end, so obviously a lack of authority wasn't an influencing factor there. If anything, better gun control laws might have kept those weapons out of their hands.

[Stock98camaro]

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About the gun laws... If the kids wanted guns bad enough, they would have got them. One way or another.

[SpeedingFirebird]

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People will always complain about things, but i think in general people ***** and whine more about trivial things that just didn't matter in the "old" days. These days it seems people have almost nothing better to do than be offended and/or whine about things... like how people get offended too easily :D

This I can agree with, but I'll change it slightly. In years past, people worked and worked hard for what they had. And they were proud of it. Today, there is this sense of entitlement. Everyone expects everything handed to them on a silver platter, and when that doesn't happen, it is somebody else's fault.

When people do work hard and acheive success. they are "lucky" or "yuppies", and we should tax the shlt out of them to make life easier for those who feel they are entitled to more w/o working hard for it.

[mloaks]

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i got 3 months in juvi for knock out in school. 2nd degree felony, falonious assult. L O L. dumbas$s didnt talk shyt anymore.

I reckon its true when some say that words do hurt like sticks and stones...
I guess bein a dweeb in HS kept me from sayin something stupid, and thereby kept me from being assaulted(sure wasnt fun while it was goin on tho). Maybe those old days I remmeber werent so much better than today...:work:

[Evil Red Demon]

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well so much for number 1 being true, I think today sadly proved that it needs to be that way...

[Mogobs30th]

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This I can agree with, but I'll change it slightly. In years past, people worked and worked hard for what they had. And they were proud of it. Today, there is this sense of entitlement. Everyone expects everything handed to them on a silver platter, and when that doesn't happen, it is somebody else's fault.

When people do work hard and acheive success. they are "lucky" or "yuppies", and we should tax the shlt out of them to make life easier for those who feel they are entitled to more w/o working hard for it.

What about the people that actually do work hard and get NOTHING? You think everyone that works hard is successful? I hope you're not really thinking that. If thats the case, I wonder why my 51 year old mother still works 2 jobs, 7 days a week.

People think if you work hard, you are successful, and that is nothing more than an illusion. If you work hard, get a few breaks here and there, there is a possibility of making everything successful.

[redbird00]

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lolol

[SpeedingFirebird]

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What about the people that actually do work hard and get NOTHING? You think everyone that works hard is successful? I hope you're not really thinking that. If thats the case, I wonder why my 51 year old mother still works 2 jobs, 7 days a week.

That's not what I said. My father works 80 - 100 hours a week at two jobs. I said there is a large percentage of people that aren't willing to work hard, but expect the big payoffs in life.

People think if you work hard, you are successful, and that is nothing more than an illusion. If you work hard, get a few breaks here and there, there is a possibility of making everything successful.

I agree. Working hard increases the probability of success.

[mloaks]

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well so much for number 1 being true, I think today sadly proved that it needs to be that way...

I reckon so...

If I am outta line, sorry, but this shooting bothers me more than 9/11.

[josh98bird]

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I reckon so...

If I am outta line, sorry, but this shooting bothers me more than 9/11.

I think people have always been psychotic and you learn in any psychology class that some people just can't feel empathy or regret when it regards to death/murder. The shooting at Virginia Tech was awful and alot will change due to this. More colleges will have better plans and such. But to get back to thing changing. I think that these same heartless people where around back then but didn't have the resources they have now. 100 years the campus wouldn't have as many students and there wouldn't be as many weapons available or games available just to give you ideas on pulling something like this off. Nowadays there are plenty of ways to get ahold of weapons and such to pull something like this off. Just remember that there are more people on Earth everyday and that increases the chance of there being more people around us everywhere we go. The more people around increases the chance of danger / murder. It boils down to population increase, societies views and values are exceeding parental values, and technology. I think we need to spend more time talking about what could happen tomorrow instead of what happened yesterday.

There was a shooting at UK last year. Someone shot into the air a few times and hit someone throgh a dorm. I didn't find out until the next day and that kind of worried me. It was then that I started to think about ways to better the situation. Well, I gave up on it and wasn't that worried... and now looking at 30 students being murdered is horrific and makes you wonder why this happened. As soon as we find out, we will figure out how to prevent this in the future but should it stop there? I think you always need to look forward two steps for every one step back.

[Fireball27]

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or games available just to give you ideas on pulling something like this off

Thats absurd. Not even GTA lets you go into classrooms too shoot college kids. This is just gonna be another excuse for the whiney liberals too point fingers at everyone and blame things that aren't remotely related.

[josh98bird]

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Thats absurd. Not even GTA lets you go into classrooms too shoot college kids. This is just gonna be another excuse for the whiney liberals too point fingers at everyone and blame things that aren't remotely related.

I didn't mean that the games lead to this... what I was saying is that with games and even television shows or movies have been able to educate many people about weapons and such. Just by watching a show on tv you can learn how to compile a mass murder. Even shows such as CSI or Court TV shows. I want to make sure everyone understands I'm not putting the blame on games because I disagree with that.

The blame goes on the murderer and his psychiatric problems. But all of these make it EASIER then otherwise.