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Cool. I only care about Honda and GM as a car manufacturer. So, as long as you stick with Honda's (or GM), you'll be fine. Their engines are bullet proof. Can you fit a H22 in there? or that's too heavy for that car?
An H22a will fit (with a HASPORT kit you can drop in basically any Honda 4 cylinder [including the K-series] into the ED/EF chassis like it was stock) but is a little too heavy for what I want...
I already spent the time on purchasing brand new stock replacement drivetrain mounts and beefing them up (making them solid rubber with 3M windoweld) for zero engine movement; so the plan is to go with a D-series JDM 1.6L ZC DOHC motor rated at just under 130hp and eventually replace the stock intake manifold with a 1000cc (or more) sport bike EFI ITB intake system + megasquirt EMS and tune it for at least 150hp. Will likely do the same custom intake setup as on my brothers Integra before going with the ITB setup. The ITB's will be put on after the JDM ZC is tuned/baselined. Inexpensive and effective route that adds no weight while gaining 40+ hp over stock.
And on a side note, part of my former Camaro lives on in my brother's Integra! Notice the fabbed exhaust downturn in the image below... :)
When I get better employment then I can step the Tercel up a notch and transplant a more powerful 1.6L drivetrain (the 20 valve 4A-GE) that'll give it 165hp/120ftlb, sweet little motor.
I laughed reallllly hard when I read that! MORE POWER bwahaha
I laughed reallllly hard when I read that! MORE POWER bwahaha
good luck with your new racecar/bumblebee :slap:
Well the 70hp increase in a Tercel with the 20 valve 4age would be like the 3800 series II V6 motor putting out an additional 158hp. Wouldn't you like to have a 3800 Series II outputting 363hp?
Well the 70hp increase in a Tercel with the 20 valve 4age would be like the 3800 series II V6 motor putting out an additional 158hp. Wouldn't you like to have a 3800 Series II outputting 363hp?
Nikon and Kristen...wth is you guys' problem? He had to sell his car to get a more economical car and he's making the best of it. Give the guy a break. I can't stand it when people beat on any type of car that doesn't fit their ideals.
I've often been tempted to do something similar. Small, inexpensive cars can be a lot of fun. Parts are cheap, that's for sure.
gimme a break...you can't tell me when someone says I'm doing an engine swap for more power on my tercel racecar that you don't get a laugh...
It's going to a good home (somebody who will use the car for what it was designed to do - roadcourse events/autocrossing)
when the hell was a V6 camaro ever designed to do roadcourse and autox events???? HA....this whole thread is a joke.
I have no issues with someone selling their car for something more economical...but he doesn't use the car everyday "it's a track only car" ya, when your racing it's super important how much gas mileage you get
Like I said, this whole thread is a joke.
gimme a break...you can't tell me when someone says I'm doing an engine swap for more power on my tercel racecar that you don't get a laugh...
when the hell was a V6 camaro ever designed to do roadcourse and autox events???? HA....this whole thread is a joke.
I have no issues with someone selling their car for something more economical...but he doesn't use the car everyday "it's a track only car" ya, when your racing it's super important how much gas mileage you get
Like I said, this whole thread is a joke.
YOU'RE a joke. :poke: :p
1. It's his DD...not a racecar. Nothing wrong with swapping in an engine for a 40 hp power increase. That's quite a respectable gain for a car that small.
2. Have you autocrossed? In my V6 Camaro I have beat LS1s and LT1s by large margins at autocross events. Once you get into autocross, everything is a whole new ballgame...power takes a backseat to many other variables. The V6 F-body can be quite competitive in autocross.
3. His Camaro WAS his DD. I don't know why you're saying he used it as a 'track only car'.
I'm not trying to start a flamewar. I'm simply stating that you're being unfair to him. Not everyone can get their heart's desire in a car and he's making do with what he feels is right for him.
I mean whats not economical about a v6 f-body? PArts are cheap for it... especially if you are keeping in the "I autocross" area... V8 suspension parts are cheap, and they are cheap to keep up and running on the road.
and a tercel? its a bit of a POS.
the civic is not that bad... Not a big fan of it... but not sure how its more economical then your Camaro?
Its 100x's more likely to get stolen, new parts are generally more expensive. there are alot of used parts availible(usually off stolen civics)
You are not ging to be fast unless you do a motor swap, you start doing motor swaps and you start losing reliability.
not sure why you really got rid of the camaro for economical reasons.
I mean whats not economical about a v6 f-body? PArts are cheap for it... especially if you are keeping in the "I autocross" area... V8 suspension parts are cheap, and they are cheap to keep up and running on the road.
and a tercel? its a bit of a POS.
the civic is not that bad... Not a big fan of it... but not sure how its more economical then your Camaro?
Its 100x's more likely to get stolen, new parts are generally more expensive. there are alot of used parts availible(usually off stolen civics)
You are not ging to be fast unless you do a motor swap, you start doing motor swaps and you start losing reliability.
not sure why you really got rid of the camaro for economical reasons.
i could see if you kept it stock and everything, but seeing as you are doing all this work to make it fast and stuff, it seems like you should have just stuck with the camaro.
Going to clarify some things then let the thread go since the purpose of the thread has been served (which was to inform that I was getting rid of the Camaro and what the replacement actually ended up being.)
Reliability is not an issue in stock Honda motors until you start changing internals out and pushing it's performance envelop way up either normally aspirated or forced induction. A 20hp increase in a stock 1.6L DOHC ZC motor will not be pushing the envelope or reducing it's reliability in a noticeable way. Pushing the envelope are those drag guys with Civics putting out 500-600hp (at the wheels) with turboed 1.6L SOHC D series motor and running high 9-low 10 seconds at 140-160mph in the 1/4 mile.
The Camaro and it's replacement never were "racecars". There is a big difference between a racecar and a street car that is setup to be fun to autocross/drive on a roadcourse. Camaro was not a daily driver; it was purchased soley as a fun car that was still street legal. The new Civic will be similar in purpose, but driven more often on the street. Reason the Camaro was sold off was because I wanted to track and autocross a more economically feasible car. Going through $1100 set of tires and brake pads gets expensive... $550-$600 is nearly half the cost, plus tires last longer on a lighter vehicle. Whereas 'daily driver economy' is really only about fuel economy and oem parts replacement, 'autocross/track economy' is mostly about tires, brake pads, brake rotors, and more frequent fluid changes. Plus a FWD Honda is just as fun (a little more fun to me actually) to autocross/track as the V6 Camaro...which is a lot of fun! Dollars per fun is totally in Honda's favor when a '90 Integra RS total cost for track readiness is 1/3 that of a '98 V6 Camaro.
Where the V6 Camaros EXCEL (when adequately prepared for autocross/track duty) is in it's braking ability and steady-state cornering capability. Where it is not so excellent (but is still good) is in transient response and acceleration. Where the Honda Civic / Acura Integras EXCEL (again, when adequately prepared for autocross/track duty) is in transient response, corner entry through track out phase, and steady-state cornering capability. The Honda's are not so excellent in the braking and acceleration areas, only adequate enough.
The V6 Camaro was never "intended" to be competitive at autocrossing or excelling on roadcourse. But it just happens in SCCA SOLO II 4-5 years back a few did really well at National events (the Best of the Best) in G Stock class. Doesn't mean the V6 is an awsome handling car in stock form (because it isn't) but that it's no slouch and can place well with a great driver against the class leading Integra Type R's and following BMW 325is. If you are getting a car for fun and that is competent for both autocrossing and roadcourse duty, the V6 Camaro is a very good candidate. If you need a car that is less expensive to autocross/track than a V6 Camaro but not less capable, the Honda Civic and Acura Integra both meet the bill along with the Mazda Miata for those wanting RWD. I just happen to be more comfortable and have plenty of experience with what works on the Honda's so that's the route I have gone.
1. It's his DD...not a racecar. Nothing wrong with swapping in an engine for a 40 hp power increase. That's quite a respectable gain for a car that small.
2. Have you autocrossed? In my V6 Camaro I have beat LS1s and LT1s by large margins at autocross events. Once you get into autocross, everything is a whole new ballgame...power takes a backseat to many other variables. The V6 F-body can be quite competitive in autocross.
3. His Camaro WAS his DD. I don't know why you're saying he used it as a 'track only car'.
I'm not trying to start a flamewar. I'm simply stating that you're being unfair to him. Not everyone can get their heart's desire in a car and he's making do with what he feels is right for him.
Originally posted by Vracer111
What I'm after is a '95-'98 Toyota Tercel Coupe...the Corollas are too heavy. When I get better employment then I can step the Tercel up a notch and transplant a more powerful 1.6L drivetrain (the 20 valve 4A-GE) that'll give it 165hp/120ftlb, sweet little motor. Only thing that's not so great is you have to run premium with its high compression ratio (11.0:1).
Tires replaced every year and brakes replaced about every year as well...That's a $600 dollar difference every year. My Camaro is not a daily driver (~1000 miles driven in a years time, half of that track/autocross miles) and I need a daily driver...
My Bold
NO it's NOT his DD...read first ;)
and yes I have autocrossed and I know how a V6 camaro can stack up against cars with larger motors/more hp...I too have beaten them..I'm also signed up for a roadcourse in sept with my V.............
and yes I have autocrossed and I know how a V6 camaro can stack up against cars with larger motors/more hp...I too have beaten them..I'm also signed up for a roadcourse in sept with my V.............
CTS-V's are built for the road course, but with those cars having such an aggressive camber and caster, they EAT tires faster than any car I have ever seen.
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ya, when your racing it's super important how much gas mileage you get 
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