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[kristen]

Re: union

Originally Posted by crushedout
Typically unions are better for dirt bag employees that don't like to work.



kristen-
that is the way that i feel



let me rephrase this.

at my work the cna's 95% of the cna's are lazy a hole, who shouldn't even have a job to start with. they don't do their work, they are rude to the residents, they sleep in the rooms, they take breaks that are too long, the b.s . all day. all in all they suck.

and these are the people that are trying to start the union. the biggest dirtbags here are the ones headding it up. they want more money(which they arn't worth) and they want to make sure that their jobs are safe.

to me if you are on the verge of getting fired, you prbably should get fired. if you feel that you should be getting more money, you shouldn't have taken the job to begin with. yeah more money is always good. and if the union does come in, and they do get a few more pennies, it will be taken by the union anyway.

i do think that there is good and bad points to a union. i don't see any that will help me.

[SpeedingFirebird]

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ya, until they decide you make too much and cut your *** out of the payroll with no warning. employers will use you until they find a way to find someone who'll do it for less money.

<devil's advocate>

If someone can do it for less money, then why should an employer pay someone more? If they pay less, prices go down and people pay less for products.

<\devil's advocate>

[mloaks]

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Now this is an entertaining lounge thread!
I remember Gramps describing being hit with batons by cops on horseback while striking vs NCR in the '30s.
When he retired in'71, he thought unions lost their heart.
More than any union, the NEA keeps teachers in jobs they cannot handle. Too much burnout, too many poorly-parented kids, too little money...

[josh98bird]

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Typically unions are better for dirt bag employees that don't like to work. If your a lazy P.O.S. that likes to be a free loader then join, if not then don't.

No kidding... Its got its benefits and such but it also holds you back. The only thing the union does for me is guarantee raises and vacations for part time... and its impossible to get fired. But with all that, no matter how hard I work, the guy next to me doing nothing is considered on the same level.

[crushedout]

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wow
no they are not
unions protect you from dirtbag employers who like to take advantage of you

if u feel u are being walked on or taken advantage of then yes you need a union
if things are going ok and u feel the pay and benefits are fair then it is pointless, you will end up with a silent union or one that makes things worse

hopefully intelligent conversation can continue without a lock...

How many unions come into crappy little corporations that are walking over all the employess? Sure they dwindle there way to smaller businesses but they start at big business where they can make the most money. The union as been trying to get into the Toyota plant in KY sense it was built because theres alot of money in it for them but thankfully the employees know they've got it good. They don't need a union and the employees at Toyota are way better taken care of then the employees at Ford here in KY that the union has so graciously helped with.

I've watched the outcome of getting rid of 2 dirtbag employees that took over a decade. Over 10 years to fire 2 individuals that didn't work. One managed rental properties, marketing for 2 bands, a chicken wing business, and a motorcycle club while coming in hour late taking 2 hour lunches and leaving early. His usual day at work was 5 hours total. The other guy was here 7 days a week doing absolutely nothing but selling bull semen. I'm not kidding at all. He was doing all this on company time including all the long distance calls. His actual job he would say he needed help to do but then delegate all work to person that would help him. He'd clock 65+ hours a week and turn no work in.

Are you serious?

my opinion, but yes. They can be good for the average person but not as often as they are for the dirtbag.

What about when the union strikes to make that extra 75 cents and hour. Depending on how long they strike for, and you have to strike or the union will fine you, it could take a good while to make that money up. Some union will pay you the diffrence your not making from unemployment but some won't. Be a hard worker and dont get expect to get stuff for free. If you feel you employer isn't paying you what your worth then go somewhere else.

[Mogobs30th]

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You people were better off talking about religion to me than this thread, cause I am going to shine some light on the retarded now. If you think you have seen wrath from me, wait.....

I have been a member of 2 unions, Teamsters Local 135 in Indianapolis, and the IBEW Local 134 (current). These two unions are FAR different from each other, and one cannot simply judge one union from another. One common misconception is that if you are in a union, you're lazy. For anyone who said this, go **** yourself. Really, I mean it, twist your little c**k around, and f*** yourself. Or at the VERY least, educate yourself before opening your f'ing mouth. I personally work with two outstanding employees, either of which can easily find another job at another contractor and do less, but work HARD for what they make. We take a 20 minute lunch, and a 5 minute break in an 8, 10, or even 12 hour span. Our objective is to simply get the stuff done and done RIGHT. We don't f*** around, we don't take long lunches or breaks. I can't speak for other unions, but ours is strong because we work HARD, always. But as I have said before, NOT ALL UNIONS ARE THE SAME!!! Second misconception, you cannot be fired. This is complete and total BS in the IBEW. You CAN be fired in some unions, most notably construction unions. What happens is, Chuck messed something up. Well, Chucks employer is tired of his messing up, being lazy, and has had enough. Chuck is FIRED!!! Now, if Chuck was a member of a construction union, and is fired, he is then going to go down to the local hall, and get on what they call "the books". "The Books" are a list of people that are in need of work, that are a member of that union and is current on their dues. They are placed on the books, in order in which they show up. They might be 146th out of 146 when they are first put on, but eventually, everyone above Chuck will be hired by another contractor, moving him up the list. Eventually Chuck will be hired by another employer.

Misconception three, if you work hard enough, your superiors will notice your work and pay you accordingly to your worth to them. FALSE. You are expendable, regardless how valuable you think you are, even if you are in a union. With a union, your salary is guaranteed, so long as you are working. All we ask for is a fair day's pay for the work done, and trust me, we work for every dime given to us. My union, the IBEW Local 134, DOES NOT PAY FOR VACATION TIME!!! If we don't work, we don't get paid, its that f'ing simple.

Misconception number 4.....

True, but don't forget, its in a Unions best interest to create conflicts. Without conflict, members will be sitting there scratching their heads wondering why they are paying dues for nothing. So bringing one in will undoubtedly divide the company and stir up sh*t for the sake of making themselves look useful and needed. Maybe not such a good idea if everything is going along just fine right now.

You, my friend, are a complete numbnut moron f***. At this point, I will turn your attention once again to my union, who has striked TWICE in the last 107 years. Once in the early 1900's, because their pay was being stripped from them from AT&T, and the second was for benefits in general, which happened in 1936. Im not too clear on the first one, but the second strike, in 1936 by the IBEW Local 21, also here in Chicago representing some of the workers of AT&T and ComEd, had a strike for a total of.........17 MINUTES!!! All they did was raise the bridges in the downtown Chicago area, in which after the 17 minutes passed, the Governor of the State of Illinois was talking to the representatives of ComEd, AT&T, and Local 21, and the strike was resolved that fast. My point being, STRIKES are never good. Never have been, never will be. The IBEW and NECA have had a longstanding working relationship with one another, and BOTH committee's see the best interests of the contractors AND the employees. Strikes are not even thought of within my union. Which leads me to my next answer to this question "What do we pay union dues for?" Easy, benefits, retirement, health, the apprenticeship school, and the normal day to day to run the Local 134, which is minimal to say the least. My union dues pay for the health insurance thru Blue Cross/Blue Shield, my defined pension plan, my annuities, the NJATT training school, many other things that will be useful to me within the next 35 years on some level or another. Lemme ask, how many people in here have a DEFINED PENSION PLAN??? Now out of those people, HOW MANY PAY FOR IT OUT OF YOUR CHECKS EVERY WEEK??? My point exactly.

My point is, that I am GRATEFUL AND PROUD to be in the IBEW Local 134. Im not lazy, I work hard everyday of the week, and if ANYONE here is going to downtalk a union, I greatly suggest you educate yourself WELL before opening your mouth here where I can see it.

[Mogobs30th]

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<devil's advocate>

If someone can do it for less money, then why should an employer pay someone more? If they pay less, prices go down and people pay less for products.

<\devil's advocate>

How bout corporations and CEO's take a paycut from the billion dollar year they had and stop being greedy. Maybe if they didn't take so much from the backs of the labor, there wouldn't be any higher prices.

God Damn, more and more I read your posts, the more and more I think you are one greedy mofo.

[Mogobs30th]

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I agree - - If you do a good job for your employer, they will take care of you & do what it takes to keep you around. If you're dealing with a slum-lord employer quit.

That is funny as hell. Employers will take care of you as long as they find you useful. Once your usefulness runs out, by either your bad fortune or the companies, you will know what the inside of an unemployment office looks like.

If ANYONE thinks they are too valuable to be fired, remember, there are students coming out of college and grad school every year. There will be replacements right behind you, waiting to take everything from you, without a care in the world, because they are ready, willing, and HUNGRY for work, and they do not give two ****s if they kick you out on your ***, and have kids to feed and clothe. You're just **** out of luck.

[sac2165]

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That is funny as hell. Employers will take care of you as long as they find you useful. ...

The bottom line is, everybody works for the man - - If you put money in his pocket he'll find a reason to keep you around.

In 2007, with all the kids coming out of school, find one willing to work a second over 40 hours(non h1b), and I'll start getting concerned about my job...

[Mighty Thor]

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I have nothing nice to say about Unions. They may increase your pay and improve health benefits but they sure kick down on the little people.

Last month I lost an awesome job because I still on probation and this jerk who was the acting supervisor decided to not allow me to complete it. They don't have to explain anything for letting me go. I was only 2 weeks shy of a full 6 month completion. He noticed that it would be impossible to kick me down after 6 month.

Plus union increases layoff because companies can't move forward, cost of living, and the cost of health care. Just about every employee in the healthcare industry is union. Their pay is insanely high. Calif. is #1 that's why so many established hospitals are closing down. But they won't say that in the media. This year their pay is going up even more eventhough the budget is not there.

That's why Gov. Arnold is trying stop them because they are making us broke, we who pay for healthcare. That's why the unions are against Gov. Arnold.

Plus union forces you to pay even though you don't want to join. In all, union jobs doesn't give you a choice.

[vanbibber]

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wes.. :tup:

[Mogobs30th]

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The bottom line is, everybody works for the man - - If you put money in his pocket he'll find a reason to keep you around.

In 2007, with all the kids coming out of school, find one willing to work a second over 40 hours(non h1b), and I'll start getting concerned about my job...

I know several hundred willing to work 40+ hours a week. Thats the upside of working on a campus like Northwestern's. They are there, trust me. Especially in the sciences.

I have nothing nice to say about Unions. They may increase your pay and improve health benefits but they sure kick down on the little people.

Last month I lost an awesome job because I still on probation and this jerk who was the acting supervisor decided to not allow me to complete it. They don't have to explain anything for letting me go. I was only 2 weeks shy of a full 6 month completion. He noticed that it would be impossible to kick me down after 6 month.

Plus union increases layoff because companies can't move forward, cost of living, and the cost of health care. Just about every employee in the healthcare industry is union. Their pay is insanely high. Calif. is #1 that's why so many established hospitals are closing down. But they won't say that in the media. This year their pay is going up even more eventhough the budget is not there.

That's why Gov. Arnold is trying stop them because they are making us broke, we who pay for healthcare. That's why the unions are against Gov. Arnold.

Plus union forces you to pay even though you don't want to join. In all, union jobs doesn't give you a choice.

One, that supervisor is the problem, not the union. That supervisor let you go for other reasons than just what you stated. What you said is simply interpretation and opinion, and probably isn't valid in the first place.

Two, healthcare is increased because of the LACK of people with adequate insurance. Your state sucks because of its economical greed, and doesn't pay their employee's worth a rats ***. Unions are not the problem there either. Maybe if people were able to work, instead of mooch of the state Gov't, they could PAY taxes, and contribute. Don't blame the unions on that nonsense, because you act as tho the union members don't pay taxes or healthcare. Its nonsense.

Three, costs of living go up because of the insane markups on some products and services. Major corps are marking up the prices of things to have more money in their pockets. Don't blame the unions for that **** either. Again, this all comes down to greed. Depending on how greedy a CEO or chairperson is, will depend on the market once you get to the bottom of it.

Sorry, but for someone that *****es about paying high taxes, but is wondering why hospitals close, maybe you should ask yourself if what you contribute is honestly enough. Its simple math. If you pay a little more in taxes, the funds would be there to pay for the hospitals, schools, and whatever public institutions need it. Pay less taxes, those institutions have less money. NOWHERE does a union involve itself with this equation. I find it hypocritical to ***** about paying taxes AND hospitals closing. You need to take that crap up with your awesome Austrian Governor.

BTW, unions do not make you broke, YOU make yourself broke. You voted for the moron in office, now you want less taxes. That will only last a little time. Manage your money better, or stand up for what you know is morally right, a decent wage, better than the average benefits. Maybe if you fought for something, you would still be working.

[StrtRacer98]

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wes.. :tup:

x2

if Chuck was a member of a construction union, and is fired, he is then going to go down to the local hall, and get on what they call "the books". "The Books" are a list of people that are in need of work, that are a member of that union and is current on their dues. They are placed on the books, in order in which they show up. They might be 146th out of 146 when they are first put on, but eventually, everyone above Chuck will be hired by another contractor, moving him up the list. Eventually Chuck will be hired by another employer.

Exactly.... My dad is union, and if works runs out, and they "lay him off", he goes to the hall, gets put on the list and is working normally the next day.

Union 150 Operators, need so many people its ridiculous, He could just say " your an ******* to work for", and leave... get a job with another company that day... if thats what he wanted to do.

Luckily he's not in a situation like that, his local recently took a vote on a strike, and before they could strike they got a very generous raise, pay and benefits.

Im non-union, and get paid well... but most of my friends are union, pipefitters / ironworkers / electricians and make a hell of a lot more money than I do and enjoy their job alot more then me as well

[Mogobs30th]

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[StrtRacer98]

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Yarrrrrrrrrrr!