who do you want for president

[tkoforpresident]

Re: who do you want for president

so we are intelligent for no reason then? we just happened to be the only species ......

you sound intellectual.

[SpeedingFirebird]

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so we are intelligent for no reason then? we just happened to be the only species ......

Nature is funny that way. Shark's stomach's secrete hydrochloric acid to digest bones. Cactus have quills to preserve what little water is available. Millions of examples abound. Every animal has mechanisms to survive. We have superior intellect and very cool opposing thumbs. :tup:

you sound intellectual.

I've been known to spend some time in a classroom.

[tkoforpresident]

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eh i guess your right SF.....

i'm just gonna go on hoping that we were made for a higher purpose, but thats just me =)

[t-topV6]

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eh i guess your right SF.....

i'm just gonna go on hoping that we were made for a higher purpose, but thats just me =)

higher purpose sounds good to me too... but i do love my thumbs...:)

[SpeedingFirebird]

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eh i guess your right SF.....

i'm just gonna go on hoping that we were made for a higher purpose, but thats just me =)

and I applaud you for standing by your beliefs. I was not trying to dissuade you from believing there's a higher purpose. Just sharing that there is another point of view that is equally digestible.

[Timbo1969]

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As for this country being founded on Christian beliefs, you're right, but it was built on Deist belief and reasoning.

I agree with you on that point. However politically I'm moderate(like the majority of the voting public) with a conservative lean( a toss up on which percentage is higher as most are liberal on some issues and conservative on others), and currently there are no candidates at this point IMHO worth voting for. I am a registered Republican, and at times during the current administration, have been ashamed to admit it. Seeing how under President Bush's watch, pure capitalism has gone unchecked and we the consumers are paying the price. However, one must admit, that precious few of the current candidates are even remotely qualified to even attempt to run for President, Hilary Clinton being one of the least qualified.. Since when does hanging on the coat tails of one's well liked former President Ex Husband count as qualification. Sure you can bring up her term in the Senate (that she won thanks to Bill's popularity), however she neither as 1st lady or as a US senator done anything at all to benefit this country or her district.

[Timbo1969]

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this nation was FOUNDED on separation of church and state. thats the whole reason why people came here... freedom of religion.

or am i confused?

This country was founded on Christian Ideals and coupled with intelligent reason. However recently well for the last several Presidential Terms intelligent reason seems to be going further and further out the window..LOL

[Mogobs30th]

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Whatever beliefs this country was founded upon, it does not hold water in modern America. You CANNOT claim to have Christianity in government with a country that has other religions. By keeping or introducing religion into a government that controls a country of MANY religions, that religion that claims power will supress whatever religion that doesn't share its point of view. Its a close-minded act, and has no place in modern America.

In order to grow and progress as a country we must separate church and state. And those who consider themselves conservative and christian, maybe you should understand that conservative means less government, and from your view of keeping Christianity in government and being conservative makes you look like a hypocrite, kinda like that religion you believe in.

[Mogobs30th]

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While its great that you appear to be well learned in these sorts of affairs, it is not relevant using Galileos thoughts considering he had nothing to do with America. Second, that quote only means that God has installed reasoning in humans, something he gave only to us and no other creature, it does not mean that instilling christian principals with government forgoes reason altogether.

but arguments over the internet seem pointless so i will leave it at this:

America was colonized by those seeking a place to worship God. The founding fathers realized (believed) that God had a plan for this nation and had helped them achieve independance, in honor of God they founded this nation on the cornerstone that God had and would continue to guide the nation. Not everyone believed this, obviously, but the fact that things turned out the way they did (including God into our government) leads me to believe most people believed that way. Just because we let other religions practice in America that does not mean they hold equal share in the government. That is a human right that was given. If Christians had butchered budhists and muslims as they entered the country than we would have been just as bad as any other nation who exterminated those simply because of different religious beliefs. This nation was founded upon christian principals and just because we let other religions and practices into our country does not mean we need to give them all equal share in the representation of our governent, it was after all a christian nation to begin with.

Tk...I respect you, but your information is wrong. Im not sure where you learned it, but its wrong. And as for an equal share, they are entitled to it inherently. To say that we cannot give up control of the government to other religious bodies is an extremely close-minded point of view, and prejudice. That is the type of thinking that leaves us in the dark ages, puts roadblocks in our progress, because you believe that supressing other religions from having their say in the government. Im astonished that this kind of thinking still exists. Its sad, really truely sad, because I believe as long as this thinking is allowed to breed, we will never truely be free people. This breed the type of thinking that makes people believe that there is still opression in this country. I know now that there IS still oppression, and that everyone crying out from that oppression is right. They are being held down, given less chances in life.

You walk a scary line TK, one that NO ONE here can or should ever share with you. I hope that you finally see that oppression will lead you nowhere.

If you want to know my purpose? Well, that for me to decide, because only I will ever know my true purpose.

[Mighty Thor]

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Whatever beliefs this country was founded upon, it does not hold water in modern America. You CANNOT claim to have Christianity in government with a country that has other religions. By keeping or introducing religion into a government that controls a country of MANY religions, that religion that claims power will supress whatever religion that doesn't share its point of view. Its a close-minded act, and has no place in modern America.

In order to grow and progress as a country we must separate church and state. And those who consider themselves conservative and christian, maybe you should understand that conservative means less government, and from your view of keeping Christianity in government and being conservative makes you look like a hypocrite, kinda like that religion you believe in.

You are not really fare. You're playing that hypocrisy card when in truth you are no different. We, by nature are hypocrites, but the ideal this country holds to remains true to itself.

I'm too lazy to read the whole thing, but this country was found because of Religion-mainly Christianity. The Catholics already established their Missions way before it was USA. The Mayflower--well you know the story.

The separation of Church and State actually means that the government can not manipulate or undermind religion in any way. Separation is to protect religion and not the other way around. Remember: IT'S FREEDOM OF RELIGION AND NOT FREEDOM FROM RELIGION!!!

The founding fathers, ALL OF THEM, were very religious men. They even pray before they start any meetings. The Declaration of Independence has the word God all over it. The Constitution was fashioned after the New Testament-found mostly on the Acts of the Apostles.

Like it or not this Christian ideal is what most of us have enjoyed for many years. Christianity is still the majority. Majority rules. If people with different religion or belief or egnostic/athiest don't like it - that's tough. They cames here to enjoy our ideal. It's like saying we shouldn't speak English because there are many other languages being spoken here.

[tmon930]

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i haven't really read all of what everyone has said but... i believe that this government needs better morals, not necessarily christianity. i am all for a completely christian government. in fact that would please me the most, but that's not what we really need. just better morals. and by the by (not that it really matters) as a way to defend belief in an afterlife... there's more proof suggesting that earth was created by a higher power (God). there's actually no proof suggesting it just happened (darwinism). my .02

[stevethepirate]

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fu(k morals. we need people who understand politics!
im sick and tired of people who dont know sh!t about politics/the international system trying to tell everyone what we need. is it honestly that important to argue about whether a woman can or cant get an abortion when we have boys overseas getting blown up?

congratulations that some of you guys were raised in church, and because of this, thats what you believe. some of us were raised to see different viewpoints. i respect the fact that you are passionate about what you believe... but stop making it sound like there is nothing else in this world. yes yes, i know... im an infidel. sue me.

[Timbo1969]

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Whatever beliefs this country was founded upon, it does not hold water in modern America. You CANNOT claim to have Christianity in government with a country that has other religions. By keeping or introducing religion into a government that controls a country of MANY religions, that religion that claims power will supress whatever religion that doesn't share its point of view. Its a close-minded act, and has no place in modern America.

In order to grow and progress as a country we must separate church and state. And those who consider themselves conservative and christian, maybe you should understand that conservative means less government, and from your view of keeping Christianity in government and being conservative makes you look like a hypocrite, kinda like that religion you believe in.

We can and you can note several direct quotes to the Bible in US governmental documents.. Historical Documents.. However the premise of Separation of Church and State was based on personal documents of Thomas Jefferson who had the idea to protect the Church from the State as the Colonists biggest fear was another State run Church ie Church of England. Just FYI.. The reason so many have come here is because they were allowed to practice thier religion without state intervention, however it is well known that the United States of American is considered a Christian Nation and has been since it's inception

[tkoforpresident]

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i haven't really read all of what everyone has said but... i believe that this government needs better morals, not necessarily christianity. i am all for a completely christian government. in fact that would please me the most, but that's not what we really need. just better morals. and by the by (not that it really matters) as a way to defend belief in an afterlife... there's more proof suggesting that earth was created by a higher power (God). there's actually no proof suggesting it just happened (darwinism). my .02

preach it :rock:

[tkoforpresident]

Re: who do you want for president

You are not really fare. You're playing that hypocrisy card when in truth you are no different. We, by nature are hypocrites, but the ideal this country holds to remains true to itself.

I'm too lazy to read the whole thing, but this country was found because of Religion-mainly Christianity. The Catholics already established their Missions way before it was USA. The Mayflower--well you know the story.

The separation of Church and State actually means that the government can not manipulate or undermind religion in any way. Separation is to protect religion and not the other way around. Remember: IT'S FREEDOM OF RELIGION AND NOT FREEDOM FROM RELIGION!!!

The founding fathers, ALL OF THEM, were very religious men. They even pray before they start any meetings. The Declaration of Independence has the word God all over it. The Constitution was fashioned after the New Testament-found mostly on the Acts of the Apostles.

Like it or not this Christian ideal is what most of us have enjoyed for many years. Christianity is still the majority. Majority rules. If people with different religion or belief or egnostic/athiest don't like it - that's tough. They cames here to enjoy our ideal. It's like saying we shouldn't speak English because there are many other languages being spoken here.

Thor, that is almost exactly how i feel.