Career Thread

[ironranger]

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when I was in the ironworkers union I had to have someone I knew vouch for me, and then a local company sponsored me thru my appenticeship, 3 years of school, OJT, and me and my family lived quite well. But I felt the need to serve the country more than make alot of money. Which brings me to the point of the military...dont join if you just want the benefits and a paycheck, soldiers serve our country not them selves...

[SpeedingFirebird]

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I think the same people that brag about all the **** they get from one day to the next should feel perfectly comfortable about posting how much they make. When you buy a house, two cars, numerous consumer electronics, mods for the cars, and then DON'T post how much you make, you're a hypocrite.

A hypocrite says one thing but does another. Bragging about purchases but not disclosing salary does not fit the definition.

At any rate, I consider salary to be a personal detail. Very few people know how much I make, and I like to keep it that way. I am sure as sh!t not going to post it on the Internet. Maybe other's reasons differ, but I consider it too personal.

[Mogobs30th]

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A hypocrite says one thing but does another. Bragging about purchases but not disclosing salary does not fit the definition.

At any rate, I consider salary to be a personal detail. Very few people know how much I make, and I like to keep it that way. I am sure as sh!t not going to post it on the Internet. Maybe other's reasons differ, but I consider it too personal.

I figure if you brag about buying this, this and this, but don't disclose what you make in a somewhat rational thread, that makes you a hypocrite. Basically saying "Hey, look what I bought!! Can't tell you how much I bought it for, or how much I make to buy this, but I bought it!!!" Sounds hypocritical to me.

But if you don't brag about every little electronic device you've bought, then you have some sort or reservation to yourself to not post up what you make.

[FirebirdPhil]

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I'm not raking it in by any means, but for being 18 and only working part time I live pretty comfortably. I learned at a young age there are two things you never do in life, 1- ask someone their income, 2- ask a woman her age/weight lol.

[Mogobs30th]

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I'm not raking it in by any means, but for being 18 and only working part time I live pretty comfortably. I learned at a young age there are two things you never do in life, 1- ask someone their income, 2- ask a woman her age/weight lol.

I do both, because I have enough balls to ask.:tup:

[FirebirdPhil]

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It's not a matter of having the balls to ask, it's a matter of having the respect not to.

[Mogobs30th]

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It's not a matter of having the balls to ask, it's a matter of having the respect not to.

I can honestly say this as good advice for anyone looking to take charge of their career and life....

Respect is earned, not given. When you start handing out respect like the gov't hands out welfare checks, you're bound to get walked on. If you're fine being a follower, by all means, give out all the respect and trust you want to. You want control of your own fate, be more cautious while being bold. Its not for everyone, that much I can tell you, because the world needs ditch diggers too. I personally, would rather have someone earn my respect with their actions and words.

[ViperRider]

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I can honestly say this as good advice for anyone looking to take charge of their career and life....

Respect is earned, not given. When you start handing out respect like the gov't hands out welfare checks, you're bound to get walked on. If you're fine being a follower, by all means, give out all the respect and trust you want to. You want control of your own fate, be more cautious while being bold. Its not for everyone, that much I can tell you, because the world needs ditch diggers too. I personally, would rather have someone earn my respect with their actions and words.

So everyone has to earn your respect? How do you go about getting someone to respect you? Certainly not asking them their income/age/weight.

[FirebirdPhil]

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I can honestly say this as good advice for anyone looking to take charge of their career and life....

Respect is earned, not given. When you start handing out respect like the gov't hands out welfare checks, you're bound to get walked on. If you're fine being a follower, by all means, give out all the respect and trust you want to. You want control of your own fate, be more cautious while being bold. Its not for everyone, that much I can tell you, because the world needs ditch diggers too. I personally, would rather have someone earn my respect with their actions and words.

Sometimes it's whats not said that garners respect.

So everyone has to earn your respect? How do you go about getting someone to respect you? Certainly not asking them their income/age/weight.

That was basically what I was going to add also.

[Firebirdkid96]

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I'm gonna have to side with mogobs on this one...i think it's a different world now and knowing certain things about a person aren't as much of a deal as they used to be...if you're always reserved , stay reserved, if you run your mouth, you better open wide... as for respect, i believe there are two kinds of respect. 1. The general respect that one human being should each for each other regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, etc... 2. the respect that we earn from each other by treating them right, and showing our self worth.

[SpeedingFirebird]

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I'm not raking it in by any means, but for being 18 and only working part time I live pretty comfortably. I learned at a young age there are two things you never do in life, 1- ask someone their income, 2- ask a woman her age/weight lol.

It's not a matter of having the balls to ask, it's a matter of having the respect not to.

Exactly. Both examples you cited are personal details. You respect people's personal lives by not asking.

Reminds me when my wife was prego. Strangers would come up and ask things like due date, boy/girl, etc. My response, "who the f--- are you, and why the f--- are you asking?" I started answering the question, of "what are you having?" with "a dog". People would give me the strangest look and walk off.

[ViperRider]

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I do agree that trust should not be handed out. No wayyyyyyyyy! Too many cheaters, liars, and stealer's in this world.

[FirebirdPhil]

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Ok, I guess "respect" was the wrong word to use on my part. Should've gone with "manners" or "class" in retrospect.

[Mogobs30th]

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Ok, I guess "respect" was the wrong word to use on my part. Should've gone with "manners" or "class" in retrospect.

Now you're getting the idea. Respect and trust both go hand in hand, hard to respect someone if you don't trust them. And I don't mean the type of trust you have with a family member, or with keys to your car. No. I am talking about the type of trust that you see when someone has tendencies. You TRUST someone to do one thing or another, THAT type of trust.

Sometimes it's whats not said that garners respect.

Thats why I also said ACTIONS. Gotta keep up to successfully have a debate with me. As for whats not said...well, you're just going to have to look below.

Originally Posted by ViperRider
So everyone has to earn your respect? How do you go about getting someone to respect you? Certainly not asking them their income/age/weight.

Damn right everyone has to earn my respect. They may not have to earn it in my presence, but through their actions and words from either past, present , or future can earn my respect. But without people having to earn my respect, it leaves me open to suggestion, manipulation, interpretation. In this time we live in, that is a very dangerous and risky life to live. Take for example, the respect I show to certain members on the board....

Speedingfirebird I respect and trust, because I know what he says is true to him. As baffling it is to me, what he says is what he lives by, and I have learned that through past and present conversations with him. He is experienced with life, educated, and wise. FirebirdPhil on the other hand, I do not respect. He hasn't shown me any reason to respect him. Doesn't mean he will always be that way, but I really don't see anything in him yet that he is true to.

Now don't think that I am getting off the subject here, because what I am trying to explain has helped me GREATLY in the working world we live in. Theres alot of people out there in controlling positions that don't want to have some pushover for a subordinate. They want people that have a take charge attitude. They want people that aren't afraid to ask the "wrong" thing, people that don't let anyone stand in their way. These are the types of people that are successful in working their way up the ladder. No one respects a doormat.

As for manners and class, all a matter of perception. What I consider logic some might consider rude. I don't really care, doesn't hurt me at all.

[FirebirdPhil]

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Now you're getting the idea. Respect and trust both go hand in hand, hard to respect someone if you don't trust them. And I don't mean the type of trust you have with a family member, or with keys to your car. No. I am talking about the type of trust that you see when someone has tendencies. You TRUST someone to do one thing or another, THAT type of trust.

I agree with that. I'll never respect someone I don't trust.

Thats why I also said ACTIONS. Gotta keep up to successfully have a debate with me.

Trust me, I read that in your post, I just wanted to also point out that sometimes staying quiet pays off. :tup: As Teddy Roosevelt once said "Speak softly but carry a big stick."