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78%?? Cmon....lets be real. 78% is exaggeration at its best. Exaggeration by one fuels stupidity and fear in others, which is how the rep. party has been running for years. Please don't fuel it.
lets not act like the democrats didnt just do the same thing to get into office.
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W's grades were better than Kerry's but that's besides the point... lol
So you're telling me that if an employee performs poorly, he should be let go? So what's the difference between an employee within a company, and a business within a system? How can you justify firing an employee for underperforming, and then justify giving a bailout to a business for underperforming?
You talk about greed... the perfect example of the corruption that you refer to is AIG, they became so enthralled with making a buck that they made poor and in some cases unethical decisions in order to do so... they were able to do this initially because of capitalism... however, under capitalism AIG failed, at least it should have... it was well on its way to failing because of it's poor decisions... the only reason it still exists is because of a socialist ideology that decided to give them billions of dollars... Socialism in ANY form rewards those who make bad decisions... Capitalism did it's job, AIG was poorly run so it was failing... Capitalism was responsible for it's success, and ultimately it's failure... socialism is keeping it in business
And I agree with you to a degree on welfare... I don't necessarily think it should be gotten rid of, but it's a huge money drain and is desperately in need of reform there's more corruption and fraud in welfare than legitimate recipients...
Social Security... my gf's grandma is loaded... and she still receives Social Security checks... Social Security, in my opinion, should have never been created, at least not as a retirement fund
Medicare... again... never should have been created... it's just not something a government should be responsible for... there are 1500 health insurance companies in this country...
Obamacare^^^ Terrible idea... but that's a whole other argument
^all^ are socialist programs and all are either broke... or are going broke, medicare has been pumping out unfunded revenue for over 8 years...
Free-market capitalism FTW!!!
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i didnt say they didnt, but dont act as if its just the EVIL republicans that do it. fact of the matter is that it doesnt matter who's in office, just because they say their looking out for our best interests doesnt mean they are. alot of things they say sound great but they either never happen or are so half assed that it really doesnt matter anyway. our government is a joke and until the day people actually realize it and ****ing do something about it, its just going be the same **** over and over reguardless of who's in the office or who's controlling congress.
Trust me 78% isn't far off look it up... My g/f's dad's effective tax rate is over 60% and Obama's tax hikes haven't taken effect yet, and if he passes his health care... the fed will front the cost until 2012-13 and then the burden will be passed to the states... at that time, for most of the country, that will SIGNIFICANTLY increase taxes... especially those who are "rich" or those who own property... (punishing those who are successful) 78% may ultimately be a slight underestimation... I'm not exagerating, bc honestly in our current times, I don't have to...
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And those princples would be what? Care to explain in detail?
if socialism takes root here... it could easily get as out of control here as it did in switzerland.
principals:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
that is the governments basic job.
1. have a good court system
2. keep the peace
3. put the people first
4. preserve freedom for us, and future generations
clearly these ideas do not point to a government that has a hand in the economy.
Trust me 78% isn't far off look it up... My g/f's dad's effective tax rate is over 60% and Obama's tax hikes haven't taken effect yet, and if he passes his health care... the fed will front the cost until 2012-13 and then the burden will be passed to the states... at that time, for most of the country, that will SIGNIFICANTLY increase taxes... especially those who are "rich" or those who own property... (punishing those who are successful) 78% may ultimately be a slight underestimation... I'm not exagerating, bc honestly in our current times, I don't have to...
60%? Id LOVE to see his quarterly statements. Either he's dumb and paying everything he has to pay, or he's dumb. Either way, hes getting reamed and probably because he's not claiming what he needs to claim. Does he own his own business? Does me make over $500k a year? I have a VERY hard time believing this, unless he's super rich.
And this problem with taxes wouldn't be such a problem if you had a lower unemployment rate, which could be fixed if more corporations were willing to open shop here in the US, with more opportunities within the manufacturing sector. We essentially manufacture nothing anymore. We're a country full of managers and middle management lackeys. Bring manufacturing back to this country, allow more export than imports, and see the tax rate drop.
So you're telling me that if an employee performs poorly, he should be let go? So what's the difference between an employee within a company, and a business within a system? How can you justify firing an employee for underperforming, and then justify giving a bailout to a business for underperforming?
An individual has no one to blame for his underperforming but himself, while a corporation has the moral responsibility of its employees. Firing an individual is and can be a justifying way of clearing dead wood, because that employee made a clear and conscious decision without the burden or moral responsibility of someone else. A corporation cannnot make such decisions, which is why most of us aren't running a Fortune 500 company. Its decisions such as these that make a capitalistic decision like total failure a complicated decision, because of the moral responsibility to the employees of that company that had no decision in the business end of said company.
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if socialism takes root here... it could easily get as out of control here as it did in switzerland.
principals:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
that is the governments basic job.
1. have a good court system
2. keep the peace
3. put the people first
4. preserve freedom for us, and future generations
clearly these ideas do not point to a government that has a hand in the economy.
I have no clue what the hell you are trying to say, simply because if govt had no hand in the economy, there would be no US treasury, no currency, nothing. We would be on a bartering system, paying for services and products with other services and products. You're oversimplifying the content. Try again....
1995 Pontiac Firebird
2008 Chevrolet Silverado LT Crew Cab 4x4
Her father makes probably around $350,000 a year, and trust me is very bright... you do understand effective tax rate right, I'm not just saying income tax... anyway... a company only has a moral responsibility to its employees while they are on the clock... which is why they shouldn't HAVE to provide health care, and why no one has a moral obligation to keep a company's doors open to save the employees of that company... when jobs are lost because a company closes it's doors new jobs are created by businesses that fill in the hole left in the market by the company that leaves... this has been happening for decades and has been working well enough to keep The USA the greatest nation in the world... it is no justification to feed money from the taxpayers to a failing company to protect it's employees... it's harsh, but capitalism works, it has, and if we let it... it will
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I have no clue what the hell you are trying to say, simply because if govt had no hand in the economy, there would be no US treasury, no currency, nothing. We would be on a bartering system, paying for services and products with other services and products. You're oversimplifying the content. Try again....
your not understanding
the only currency should be gold, silver, or a note backed by one of those (as ours use to be). this would keep us from printing money out of thin air. how? because if people think the government is printing too much, they go cash in their paper money for gold/silver. if the gov't cant pay up then they will have no choice but to stop printing.
PS- the treasury doesnt make money... the federal reserve does (which is a foreign body, not owned by our govt)
i have no desire for my rewards to be based on a groups performance. if that is what you want, then go to canada.......
This reminds me of a technique that teachers sometimes use in the classroom called "cooperative learning", where students are put into a group to do a project. Sometimes, the end result is one person doing most (or all) of the work while the others watch.
This reminds me of a technique that teachers sometimes use in the classroom called "cooperative learning", where students are put into a group to do a project. Sometimes, the end result is one person doing most (or all) of the work while the others watch.
Her father makes probably around $350,000 a year, and trust me is very bright... you do understand effective tax rate right, I'm not just saying income tax... anyway... a company only has a moral responsibility to its employees while they are on the clock... which is why they shouldn't HAVE to provide health care, and why no one has a moral obligation to keep a company's doors open to save the employees of that company... when jobs are lost because a company closes it's doors new jobs are created by businesses that fill in the hole left in the market by the company that leaves... this has been happening for decades and has been working well enough to keep The USA the greatest nation in the world... it is no justification to feed money from the taxpayers to a failing company to protect it's employees... it's harsh, but capitalism works, it has, and if we let it... it will
So an employee is ultimately responsible for health care and retirement? Maybe to a very limited extent, and only on very menial jobs like fast food or related jobs, but most jobs that require some skill? It would never fly. I mean, how can you expect an employee to fully pay their healthcare and retirement with a salary of $14 an hour? And Im not talking menial labor at this point, Im talking skilled labor and alot of entry level/mid level management making anywhere from $25k a year to $40k a year. How in ****s name do you afford such things? Once you have your health and retirement paid for, how do you pay for daily things like food, housing, and clothing? Its mathematically impossible, especially with health care costs the way they are now, and a market that is in the dump.
when jobs are lost because a company closes it's doors new jobs are created by businesses that fill in the hole left in the market by the company that leaves
Wrong. Again, this is theory, straight from a text book. Where are the holes that would be filled if AIG went under when it should have? There are no holes, only the ones in your theory. If there were holes, the unemployment rate wouldn't be what it is.
1995 Pontiac Firebird
2008 Chevrolet Silverado LT Crew Cab 4x4
Haven’t done anything on the Camaro, but put LEDs on my truck headlights . And my oil pressure sensor went out on the truck so going to fix that this...
Haven’t done anything on the Camaro, but put LEDs on my truck headlights . And my oil pressure sensor went out on the truck so going to fix that this...
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