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Well living in Canada I cannot comment on how your government system works as i have little to no knowledge of it. How ever I do have knowledge of Universal Health care and well I love it I dont have to pay for Hospital visits I can go to any one I want to without perapproval from the HMO I believe you call it. And my employer pays for all my drugs I pay zip zero zelch for any of my health care or drugs for my Family. And as far a scolialism goes well we tried that one too out in the Province of British Columbia. The socialist Provincial Government has drievn that Province to the Brink and it has one of the worst homeless problems in Canada. And Vancouver if you drive down the Main street which was something special in it day make sure you do get out of your car and be very very careful not to do it at night and hope like heck you dont break down cause you will be robbed and or possibly killed it is that bad. And not to sound mean or disrespectful but it is worse then Detroit I actually feel safe in Detroit but Vancouver no way man. So you see a full blow socialist government is not the answer the answer to the problem is not to send products off shore to countries like China and to not want to get paid thousands of dollars for a job that should only be getting hundreds of dollars. The problem is with people and people wanting all they can get and screw the other guy that is the problem and if you find a fix for that problem then and only then will everything be better. Ubtil that time the rich will get richer the poor will get poorer and the lazy will be rewarded for being lazy.
I have no clue what he's talking about...the entire country has a socialist slant...including whatever province you're from and I guarantee access to medical service and unemployment insurance has nothing to do with crime in one city. I also studied Criminology as a graduate student...per capita major American cities have approximately 10 times the murder rate in comparison to major Canadian cities, including Vancouver...and some American cities it is as much as 200 times the Canadian rate.
All I am saying is a full blown socialist government will not and cannot work it has to be a balance is all I am saying. And for your info I am from Ontario. And as imperfect as our govermnmental system maybe for the most part it is not to bad as for the socialist slat of the government if the Current Primemister gets his way we will move to a US based system of Health care and well frankly that scares the crap outta me.
No one is turned down for emergency treatment in the US... and the US has medical bankruptcy... all I'm saying is that there are other options... and just because it works for you... our governments are very different... the buracracies here are ridiculous... WE don't need socialized healthcare... if you like it, congrats, but there has been rationing in Canada... I read a story about it in a Canadian ledger... so don't blame my media
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As I've said... reform IS needed... our democratic congress with Obama's leadership, just passed new restricitons on credit card companies to prevent them from "screwing" their creditholders... now I didn't agree with everything that was passed, but that's not important... why can't similar restrictions be placed on insurance companies in order to avoid the problems that you are exaggerating... Change for the sake of change is a mistake, change for the better is what we need to focus on... America is supposed to be innovative, it's what separates us from the rest of the world... why SETTLE for a solution that as you've said will solve the problems you speak of... but as I've said will also cause more unnecessary problems... all just because others are doing it... America should lead... not follow
No one is turned down for emergency treatment in the US... and the US has medical bankruptcy... all I'm saying is that there are other options... and just because it works for you... our governments are very different... the buracracies here are ridiculous... WE don't need socialized healthcare... if you like it, congrats, but there has been rationing in Canada... I read a story about it in a Canadian ledger... so don't blame my media
what are you referring to when you use the term rationing? I work in the medical field and have never heard that word used in the health care context. I'm curious to hear what you mean by that.
If you want to hear about ridiculous bureaucracies, take a look at the Canadian Province of Quebec...it has 10 times the number of bureaucrats as the entire state of California and has 1/5 the population...this has to do with Quebec's status as a distinct society. In other words, it has a lot of gov't offices that other provinces rely on the Federal gov't for, because it wants to maintain control over itself while operating within Canada.
Rationing... turning down coverage for people under a universal system, when they would have been compensated for the treatment under a privately owned, and privately paid for plan... it's not a healthcare term it's a political term... it's the bureaucrats deciding, not the doctors, nurses etc...
Obama's words: "We're going to have to make some tough decisions on the worthiness of some treatments."
That's rationing... For some people who are currently happy under their current coverage, will lose that coverage because it will be cheaper under Obama's plan to insure these people under the socialized health care... and eventually it will become universal... and these people, who would have been fine under their previous plans will now be forced into a plan run by the government and bureaucrats, and paid for solely by the tax-payers... Now if a 79 yr old woman develops terminal brain cancer and requires $5,000 a month in meds and treatment to stay alive, and the Obamacare can't pay for it, they turn her down... a similar story happened in Canada, I can't remember the specifics and I can't remember where I read it, if I find it I'll gladly show it to you... but the author of the story determined that she would have received the treatment under a traditional plan in the U.S.
You can accuse me of being brash all you want, and you're right, who am I to decide who lives and who dies... but I'm taking that decision out of my hands and out of the politicians' hands... you're giving them the right to decide...
and as far as Mogobs30th... you really think that 78% is gross exaggeration? Under Obama's healthcare plan taxes WILL go up across the board, and keep in mind the 78% I'm talking about is for the upper tax brackets... a recent article by ABCnews quoted these findings by the non-partisan tax-foundation...
"The hardest-hit states in terms of the highest tax bracket would be Oregon (57.5%), Hawaii (57.2%), New Jersey (57.1%), New York (56.9%), California (56.8%), Rhode Island (56.2%), Vermont (55.8%), Maryland (55.6%), Minnesota (54.4%) and Idaho (54.3%).
Washington, DC’s highest tax bracket would be 55.0%. New York City’s would be 58.7%"
Now add in property taxes, sales taxes, local municipal taxes etc... and you're already in the 70's... and this is only things that Obama has already proposed... he's got three and a half more years of spending he hopes to do...
Notice all of those "hardest hit" states are Blue states with the exception of Idaho? Who really cuts taxes and who raises them...
I just watched an interview with Obama from CBS news, and now not only does he think that it should be the right of every American to have health care... He thinks that everyone should be forced to pay for healthcare... so I as a young healthy individual may not be able to afford a house, or a new car, because I'll be forced to pay for healthcare for everyone else... Tyranny
"The hardest-hit states in terms of the highest tax bracket would be Oregon (57.5%), Hawaii (57.2%), New Jersey (57.1%), New York (56.9%), California (56.8%), Rhode Island (56.2%), Vermont (55.8%), Maryland (55.6%), Minnesota (54.4%) and Idaho (54.3%).
Washington, DC’s highest tax bracket would be 55.0%. New York City’s would be 58.7%"
Now who is going to pay these high tax brackets? People making under $100k a year? No, not even close. You're talking about individuals clearing millions a year, the upper 1%.
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Rationing... turning down coverage for people under a universal system, when they would have been compensated for the treatment under a privately owned, and privately paid for plan... it's not a healthcare term it's a political term... it's the bureaucrats deciding, not the doctors, nurses etc...
certain services are uninsured...for example, pretty much anything that is not medically necessary. Any treatment or service that is medically necessary is covered by the gov't...Anything that is not medically necessary, patients can pay out of pocket or have their insurance from their employer cover it. Sorry but untill you can present me with an example, or an article that talks about it, you won't convince me.
so I as a young healthy individual may not be able to afford a house, or a new car, because I'll be forced to pay for healthcare for everyone else... Tyranny
You honestly think that you're going to get taxed THAT MUCH? Again, I will state, I make $50k a year, and I have yet to see my tax rate go above 28%, and even if it went up a couple percentage points, I would still be able to afford the aparment I live in (which probably costs more than the mortgage payment on your home). I have medical debt that keeps me from getting new things, but I would have no problem paying for any of it with the money I make, and since you seem to have a plan to make a ton of money, where do you get the thought that you wouldn't be able to afford it? You think tax rates are going to double for you? It will NEVER happen, not under this administration, not under another one. You're over exaggerating it. The median income families (roughly $35k a year) aren't going to see some 50% tax rate, and you have no proof to sustain such a claim.
BTW, you can't just simply add up tax percentages to the total amount of money you make and what you would spend it on, its dumbass math. Makes no sense. For example, if I made 50,000 a year, and your supposed tax brackets with overall added percentages was 65%, I would only be able to actually have $17,500 to spend on actual cost of things, which makes absolutely no sense. Instead, you take your tax rate of lets say 50%, then your property tax of....$5000, or 5% of what your property value is (for rhetorical purposes only), then the sales tax rate of your state, which in my case would be roughly 10%. BUT, the sales tax is only applied to what you buy, so lets say you don't buy much, only $2000 worth of merchandise, food, whatever (again, for rhetorical purposes) for a calendar year, then you're only paying 10% of that, its only $200, which after your property and income, comes to $25,300, $9,800 more than if you added the percentage as ABC news did, according to you. So adding sales tax or inheritance tax on this is dumbass math. Can't add percentages and get the same damn number than you would if you were to take the percentages as they come
You honestly think that you're going to get taxed THAT MUCH? Again, I will state, I make $50k a year, and I have yet to see my tax rate go above 28%, and even if it went up a couple percentage points, I would still be able to afford the aparment I live in (which probably costs more than the mortgage payment on your home). I have medical debt that keeps me from getting new things, but I would have no problem paying for any of it with the money I make, and since you seem to have a plan to make a ton of money, where do you get the thought that you wouldn't be able to afford it? You think tax rates are going to double for you? It will NEVER happen, not under this administration, not under another one. You're over exaggerating it. The median income families (roughly $35k a year) aren't going to see some 50% tax rate, and you have no proof to sustain such a claim.
Just because you don't think that I'll ever make that much is irrelevant, and I never said that it will apply to everyone, I said many times that it'll be for the upper tax brackets, which I was I was referring to when you told me that I was wrong in saying 78%... I never said that if you get paid 35k a year that you were going to be taxed that much... so you just wasted your time by typing that much...
So if I aspire to make that much in my lifetime, I should get a grip? I thought that was the American dream... I'm currently in school pursuing a Dual-major in Mechanical Engineering and Biomedical Engineering and possibly a third major or very least a minor in Chem with a minor in Spanish... I plan on making lots of money... so Yes... those upper tax brackets concern me
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If I make 50k a year... and this is honestly meant to have no offense to you... but if that's all I'm making by the time I'm, let's say 35... I'll be very dissappointed... people with similar education as mine are making WELL into the hundred thousands...
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I didn't say I WAS all about money... but I'm not going to school so that I can be in a lower tax bracket so I'll be safe from those taxes...
Saying that a person who has money should feel bad for having money is a dangerously un-American statement... if you earn lots of money... you EARNED lots of money end of story... my parents... my mom especially came from nothing and made a life for herself by being smart with what little money she had... the opportunities are there for EVERYONE it is guaranteed in the constitution... people who make the right decisions will strive while people who don't will suffer the consequences of those decisions, there will be some exceptions to this rule and there are programs already in place to alleviate those strains...
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