What I learned while visiting Washington DC, Part 2

[Mogobs30th]

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our state couldnt produce enough wind prower if every in the state bought a windmill and blew on it 24/7.

thats why our state is almost 50% nuclear now, and that percentage is sure to grow. also we still have enough oil in alaska for 200 years, and coal in the apps for 300+....

this is the US, a nation founded by people who did not like their government, and that has never really went away. so if u think people are just going to shut up.... go crack a history book. when people bow to their government u get countries like China

Then grab your gun, and off the people in charge. Thats what THEY did. You are within your right to petition government if you want, so go at it.

The more and more I notice, the more I see that some people are under the dillusion that a liberal is some skinny 90 lb person with a tiedye shirt on, a peace headband, and Jesus sandals on their feet, standing in their own filth protesting without violence. If you REALLY believe that, I assure you you're either a moron, or really ****ing stupid. There are people willing to fight, die, and win at whatever costs. These are usually the people conservatives call terrorists. Though most of the dumber people in this country consider a terrorist to be some middle easterner, its not true. Hell, even the people we consider patriots in the late 1700's would be considered terrorists by todays standards. And I love how most of you people get off by watching Fox News and have Beck and O'reilly pump fear and malcontent into your heads. People like that generate conflict within our borders.

But to get back to the point, I can't see why wind power can't be used. Its something that we discussed in school not too long ago, and its VERY feasible, but only if the current transmission grid is updated. BUT, that takes spending money, and the only entity able to spend that kind of money is the state and federal governments. In the long run, ALOT of these transmission lines are going to have to go thru some kind of overhaul, but because these lines can almost never be turned off, the only alternative is to replace the lines with newer lines. During that replacement, whatever changes to the transmission grid can be done. I think right now its only a matter of when the lines really need to be replaced, and when it would be a good time to fork the money to do it. Lets face it, our infrastructure supporting this country is falling apart FAST. Its going to take money on public projects to get it up to date.

[venom3300]

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they didnt just grab a gun and chase the officials....

i have no clue what inspired ur second paragraph...

wind might be feasible in places, but thos in DC are all show. and yes we will have to spend money to fix our infrastucture BUT u cant spend something you dont have. you have to make money then fix the country. why? b/c no country has stayed on top very long with a devalued currency.

[Mogobs30th]

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they didnt just grab a gun and chase the officials....

i have no clue what inspired ur second paragraph...

wind might be feasible in places, but thos in DC are all show. and yes we will have to spend money to fix our infrastucture BUT u cant spend something you dont have. you have to make money then fix the country. why? b/c no country has stayed on top very long with a devalued currency.

Ok...since you know nothing about electricity in any form, a windmill doesn't HAVE to be in an area to work effectively. You could put a windmill farm in Ohio and it would be effective in DC, due again, to transmission lines. These transmission lines push upwards of 765kV (1 kV = 1000 volts). They do that on overhead lines with uninsulated aluminum conductors. You have little loss of power over great distances. You could effectively put ALL the windfarms in Wyoming, where the wind is ideal for such a use (as from a map found by me) and distribute it cost effectively and efficiently to every corner of the continental US.

To say this country is broke is simply rediculous. We are still the top economic power in the world. Although the Euro is worth more, it doesnt mean the dollar is completely worthless. We're not talking about Yen here.

[venom3300]

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ok ya call me dumb, liberals love to go that tactic.

what a gr8 idea, power the whole country with massive power lines, that if a few break, half a state goes without power..... i'll stick to nuclear
(also if u had bothered to READ my last post, i said wind may work, but we cant afford it yet)

wake up, the country IS broke. The dollar is dropping, and this recession in no where near
National debt clock:
overhttp://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

that means EVERY citizen is now $39,306.16 in debt..... how many people do think can pay that?

if u dont call $-39k in EVERONES bank acc broke then what is?!?!?!!

[Mogobs30th]

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ok ya call me dumb, liberals love to go that tactic.

what a gr8 idea, power the whole country with massive power lines, that if a few break, half a state goes without power..... i'll stick to nuclear
(also if u had bothered to READ my last post, i said wind may work, but we cant afford it yet)

wake up, the country IS broke. The dollar is dropping, and this recession in no where near
National debt clock:
overhttp://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

that means EVERY citizen is now $39,306.16 in debt..... how many people do think can pay that?

if u dont call $-39k in EVERONES bank acc broke then what is?!?!?!!

Every country has debt. EVERY COUNTRY. We've had debt since day 1, when we were getting loans from France to fund the Revolutionary War.

what a gr8 idea, power the whole country with massive power lines, that if a few break, half a state goes without power..... i'll stick to nuclear

I try not to insult, but are you paying attention? Can you read? Do I need to post pics for you? Keep up with the convo, read some info, and you would understand why they call it an ELECTRICAL GRID. Those massive lines you're amazed about, THEY'VE BEEN USING THEM FOR YEARS. It isn't new technology. You ever see an electrical pylon with lines on it? Those are the SAME lines Im talking about, only thing I am proposing is rerouting said lines to locations where a windmill is at its peak efficiency. How do you think that nuclear power plant gets the power to you? Hopes and dreams? Do warm feelings around a roasty fire in the winter keep your refrigerator going?

HOLD ON.....do you even know how a power plant WORKS? That's a better question.:rolleyes:

[nimrod.sixty9]

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http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Yeah were broke. But we cant afford not to fix this energy problem.

The high efficency green grid is a great idea too. Has any even checked into what Mogobs is talking about?

Mills will be in windy areas, solar panels in sunny area, water power plants etc... But all connected to the same grid, energy shared all over. So now you have a green highly efficient system ;p

[FirebirdGT]

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Yep, wind power doesn't work. :rolleyes:

Guess that's why W's RED state of Texas has more than ANY OTHER STATE! Currently there are over 2,000 wind turbines in West Texas alone!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Texas

I see these everytime I fly between Phoenix and Dallas. You can see them from 34,000 ft!

Wind and solar are finally coming of age. Solar in AZ and NV. Very cool projects going on. Sterling cycle central power plants, etc.

BTW, I spent 20 years in commercial nuclear power. NOT the future of energy production. TOO expensive - still.
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[Mogobs30th]

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Ok....I see that stupid debt clock, I SEE IT, STOP POSTING IT PLEASE. That debt that we have is 220+ years old. Deal with it. Its not like ALL income, sales, and whatever other taxes can go directly to the debt. You cant just stop govt spending to pay off that debt, its never going to happen. All that debt does is lengthen the time a lender gets their money back. You all really need to get over the hype that they tell you about the national debt, and stop looking at that clock.

And I still have yet to hear back from venom, and his years of experience around high voltage electrical power plants and substations.

[venom3300]

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Every country has debt. EVERY COUNTRY. We've had debt since day 1, when we were getting loans from France to fund the Revolutionary War.



I try not to insult, but are you paying attention? Can you read? Do I need to post pics for you? Keep up with the convo, read some info, and you would understand why they call it an ELECTRICAL GRID. Those massive lines you're amazed about, THEY'VE BEEN USING THEM FOR YEARS. It isn't new technology. You ever see an electrical pylon with lines on it? Those are the SAME lines Im talking about, only thing I am proposing is rerouting said lines to locations where a windmill is at its peak efficiency. How do you think that nuclear power plant gets the power to you? Hopes and dreams? Do warm feelings around a roasty fire in the winter keep your refrigerator going?

HOLD ON.....do you even know how a power plant WORKS? That's a better question.:rolleyes:

and these grids u speak of already result in rolling blackouts in large cities... i dont think this would do anything to help that see as it spreads the power grid across the nation and not just state to state... anyways i dont really care about windmills or not...

What do u not understand about 39K per person in debt?!?!?! all china has to is say pay up, and the US is OVER. China wont even buy our new debt bc they dont think we will ever be able to pay it back.. and since they dont buy it our dollar drops.... so we print more and the dollar drops more... do u see where this goes (knowing u i doubt it) so.... we print more, the dollar drops, we print more the dollar drops

it called balancing a budget, most american have to do it to survive, so should our government. CLINTON HAD A BUDGET SURPLUS, NOT DEBT

[venom3300]

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Ok....I see that stupid debt clock, I SEE IT, STOP POSTING IT PLEASE. That debt that we have is 220+ years old. Deal with it. Its not like ALL income, sales, and whatever other taxes can go directly to the debt. You cant just stop govt spending to pay off that debt, its never going to happen. All that debt does is lengthen the time a lender gets their money back. You all really need to get over the hype that they tell you about the national debt, and stop looking at that clock.

And I still have yet to hear back from venom, and his years of experience around high voltage electrical power plants and substations.

several TRILLION is on a few MONTHS old!!!

[Mogobs30th]

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and these grids u speak of already result in rolling blackouts in large cities... i dont think this would do anything to help that see as it spreads the power grid across the nation and not just state to state... anyways i dont really care about windmills or not...

I live in the third largest city in the country, no one here has ever heard of a rolling blackout happening in 70 years. And electricity does not observe state borders; as long as there is a sufficient transmission grid, the electricity could flow easily from wherever. In many cases, its easy to connect some grids to others, with only a few miles of transmission lines and pylons connecting them. Its actually very cheap compared to making a whole new grid. The only reason why there are rolling blackouts is because the power output from some plants is insufficient to meet the needs of the consumer, it has absolutely nothing to do with the transmission grid itself. It only means that the power plant itself is at its maximum safe capacity for producing the voltage.

And as for the national debt, there are many factors that have that number what it is today. Alot of it has to do with govt spending not only by Dems, but by the GOP as well. For example, GW amassed an almost $5 trillion worth of deficit in his 8 years of his presidency. Reagan was the first to bring it over the $1 trillion mark. And since the beginning of this nation, we have had debt, at no time has our national debt been 0. Clinton had a budget surplus, but that surplus did not mean that our debt was 0, it only means that the debt to payment ratio was balanced well enough at the time to have a surplus of money for a certain amount of time. By no means did it ever mean we were debt free. And since 1950(ish), whenever our GDP goes down, our national debt seems to rise, making it much more than coincidental that the less stuff we make here, the more our debt seems to rise. But just to make it clear, EVERY president has amassed debt, only certain presidents have been able to balance our GDP with our national debt, which Clinton managed to do for awhile. He still made the national debt go up with spending. Again, I have proved you wrong, stop talking at this point. You need to study up on what you're talking about, instead of reading the basic points to an argument. This silly stuff you keep talking about is riddled with loose ends, unexplained "facts", and heresay more than anything. And this $39k worth of debt you talk about, there was one point where the individual owed more than $75k, so that number is worthless in my opinion. Stop reading into it, learn basic economics, and come talk to me when you have a diploma, or possible GED in your case.

[Mogobs30th]

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BTW, China would not dare call in our debt, we could easily pull out all industrial and commercial interest in their country, sending them back to the stone age. Their wealth was made from our own greedy outsourcing, without our industrial business going to China, they have nothing. And in my opinion, we should do just that, pull out all industrial interest in China. But because they have some of our debt, we won't do it. So its actually a very symbiotic relationship between our two countries. We keep them working, they pay our debt. Its almost that simple.

Get off your fearwagon and open your eyes. Try to look at BOTH sides of the situation instead of spreading chaos. Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly do enough of that warmongering fearspreading, we don't need more of it.

[3.4 slow to go]

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you fear Glenn Beck

[venom3300]

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I live in the third largest city in the country, no one here has ever heard of a rolling blackout happening in 70 years. And electricity does not observe state borders; as long as there is a sufficient transmission grid, the electricity could flow easily from wherever. In many cases, its easy to connect some grids to others, with only a few miles of transmission lines and pylons connecting them. Its actually very cheap compared to making a whole new grid. The only reason why there are rolling blackouts is because the power output from some plants is insufficient to meet the needs of the consumer, it has absolutely nothing to do with the transmission grid itself. It only means that the power plant itself is at its maximum safe capacity for producing the voltage.

And as for the national debt, there are many factors that have that number what it is today. Alot of it has to do with govt spending not only by Dems, but by the GOP as well. For example, GW amassed an almost $5 trillion worth of deficit in his 8 years of his presidency. Reagan was the first to bring it over the $1 trillion mark. And since the beginning of this nation, we have had debt, at no time has our national debt been 0. Clinton had a budget surplus, but that surplus did not mean that our debt was 0, it only means that the debt to payment ratio was balanced well enough at the time to have a surplus of money for a certain amount of time. By no means did it ever mean we were debt free. And since 1950(ish), whenever our GDP goes down, our national debt seems to rise, making it much more than coincidental that the less stuff we make here, the more our debt seems to rise. But just to make it clear, EVERY president has amassed debt, only certain presidents have been able to balance our GDP with our national debt, which Clinton managed to do for awhile. He still made the national debt go up with spending. Again, I have proved you wrong, stop talking at this point. You need to study up on what you're talking about, instead of reading the basic points to an argument. This silly stuff you keep talking about is riddled with loose ends, unexplained "facts", and heresay more than anything. And this $39k worth of debt you talk about, there was one point where the individual owed more than $75k, so that number is worthless in my opinion. Stop reading into it, learn basic economics, and come talk to me when you have a diploma, or possible GED in your case.

I have a diploma thank you, and going to school for a veterinarian degree.

What im getting it is that it will take decades, if not centuries to balance the massive budge deficit that we have now accrued. and of course every president has amassed debt, the government doesnt operate without money, but that doesnt mean that they can spend as much as they like, when they like.

I do agree that we should pull companies out of china, and also mexico. but thanks to wonderful clinton we have NAFTA, which has collapsed several small textile town around here.

I think you also my be under the impression that i am a republican and watch beck and crap.... well guess again.... im an independent. by the way, im not a reagan or GW fan if thats what you were thinking...

I know electrical grids do not observe state borders, that was simple a distance reference. I'm simple saying the electricity would be coming from 500 miles away instead of 50 in many cases, which means there is much more wiring to worry about. Also i know califonia have occasional problems with rolling blackouts. if the current powerplants cant generate enough energy, the why would i trust the wind to keep the cities running? i think it would be wise to have a back up in that case.

with that said, if they can make wind work for the entire country, and it be reliable, then go for it. i just dont want to see it done at the expense great-great-grandchildren.

[Mogobs30th]

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Then how about we completely stop spending money. Defense goes down the drain, military has no money to operate, nor do we spend for R & D. Although all you have to do is stop spending more money than what we bring in, lets just completely stop spending alltogether.

You have to spend money to make money. Any business owner will tell you that.