weight

[heavychevy383]

i was just wondering (ive searched the forum-so if ive missed this somewhere-my bad) what engine combo is better for cornering? i'm just learning this whole cornering thang, im used to drag racing, but there are some similarities, weight savings for example, i noticed the 3.8 sits back further on my '98 camaro versus the ls1 in my buddys '98 firebird, im told that lends itself to better handeling, & that makes me wonder, which one weighs less...a iron v6 or an aluminum v8? the six is smaller but made out of a heavier material, & the ls1's are aluminum-or are they? are the ls1's "all" aluminum or just the heads? just thinkin outloud...if anybody has any stats or opinions... -thanx

[thedetailman]

Re: weight

ls1s are all aluminum.
lt1 are cast (with) aluminum heads

the v6 engine itself weighs about 400 pounds.

[heavychevy383]

Re: weight

well, ironically enough, i just posted this then cracked open an old super chevy magazine from '02 & guess what was staring me in the face...if their stats are correct, here's the weights they give on the camaro (for '02 anyway-i guess they're the same at least from '98 & up?) <RS/coupe/manual-3323 <RS/coupe/auto-3380 <RS/convertible/manual-3466 <RS/convertible/auto-3524 <Z28&SS/coupe/manual-3411 <Z28&SS/coupe/auto-3433 <Z28&SS/convertible/manual-3554 <Z28&SS/convertible/auto-3577

[heavychevy383]

Re: weight

ls1s are all aluminum.
lt1 are cast (with) aluminum heads

the v6 engine itself weighs about 400 pounds.

thanks-good to know & yeah, they list the ls1 as being aluminum-thanks for the input

[pace2006]

Re: weight

Assuming both vehicles are completely stock...

V6 has slightly better weight distribution (so little it's probably negligible), so it might be able to take corners slightly faster with some suspension work. V8 may not have as good of weight distribution, but has more torque, so it can slow down going into the corners and accelerate coming out of the corners, unlike the V6, which would probably have to hit the corner at a higher speed to maintain momentum throughout the corner to keep up with the V8 coming out of the corner.

Have to also remember that the V8 has bigger sway bars, slightly wider tires, etc. But when it really comes down to it, individual cars and drivers are going to be the biggest determining factor.

More of a noticeable difference in comparison, but some of the local "cruises" I go on have a number of 5/6 speed Miatas and LS1 F-bodies. While the Fbodies have the torque to pull out of a corner rather quickly, they have to slow down considerably going into these corners to make it through. The Miatas just fly through the corners, oftentimes not touching the brakes, to pass and outhandle the Fbodies.

[ssms5411]

Re: weight

This should help you out:

Engine Compartment

460.9 lbs - LS1 (5.7L) Manual with oil and flywheel
428.8 lbs - L36 (3.8L) Manual with oil and flywheel
405.5 lbs - LS1 (5.7L) Auto with oil and flexplate
391.2 lbs - L36 (3.8L) Auto with oil and flexplate
40 lbs - Optima red-top battery (sounds heavy???)
32 lbs - Madman manual rack & PA chromemoly k-member
25 lbs - Pair of stock manifolds with AIR tubes off LT1
18 lbs - AC compressor with lines
18 lbs - ATI 3 core F-Body intercooler
17 lbs - AC compressor with lines
14 lbs - Dyna Battery
12 lbs - Plastic insulation on firewall
12 lbs - ATI 2 core F-Body intercooler
11 lbs - Full windshield washer reservoir
10 lbs - ABS unit
9 lbs - AC condensor
9 lbs - AC condensor with accumulator
8-9 lbs - OEM motor mounts (pair)
8 lbs - Bracket for PS/AC compressor
7 lbs - Competition Engineer solid motor mounts
7 lbs - AIR pump hoses and bracket
4.4 lbs - Cruise control
3 lbs - EGR valve and aluminum tube
3 lbs - Wiper motor
3 lbs - BMR 2 point strut tower brace
3 lbs - All exhaust heat shields
2 lbs - Factory oil cooler lines
1.5 lbs - Horns (pair)
1lbs - Heater core lines


Drive Train

190 lbs - Moser 9" (3.250 bearing) w/35 spline axles, Strange nodular iron section, full spool, 3:70 gears, no oil
135 lbs - Stock 7.5 rear end w/3.73 gears and oil
40 lbs - Centerforce heavy flywheel
35 lbs - Vigilante torque coverter new in box (inc box!)
34 lbs - Steel 2pc V6 driveshaft including center bearing carrier
28 lbs - A TH400 with 9" converter is 28 lbs lighter than the 4L60E
20.5 lbs - LT1 stock flywheel
20 lbs - LT1 stock flywheel
16 lbs - Stock steel LT1 driveshaft
12.5 lbs - TPiS lightweight flywheel
12.2 lbs - 3rd gen aluminum 1LE driveshaft
12 lbs - LPE aluminum driveshaft
11.5 lbs - Stock aluminum LS1 driveshaft
10 lbs - RK Sport aluminum 1pc driveshaft
10 lbs - ??? brand lightweight flywheel
4 lbs - Transmission tunnel insulation


Wheels & Tires

58 lbs - AFS chrome 17x11 GS offset wheel with new Dunlop SP8000 315/35/17 tire
56 lbs - AFS chrome 17x11 GS offset wheel with BALD Dunlop SP8000 315/35/17 tire :-)
56 lbs - 18x9 chrome Cobra R replica wheels with 285/35/18 tires
55 lbs - AFS silver 17x11 GS offset ZR1 wheel with new tire
55 lbs - 17" Prime chrome 5 Stars with 275/40 tire
55 lbs - 17" chrome Firewhawk wheel with new tire
54.5 lbs - Replica SS wheel with Khumo 712 275/40 tire
52 lbs - AFS chrome 17x9.5 ZR1 wheel with new Dunlop SP8000 275/40/17 tire
50 lbs - OZ Monte Carlo 17x9.5 with 1/3 tread 275 GSC
50 lbs - AFS polished 17x11 GS offset ZR1 wheel with new 315 BFG Comp TA drag radial
48 lbs - 16x8 stock chrome 5 star with Kuhma Estca Supra 712 tires (V rated)
45 lbs - 99 TA stock 16" chrome wheels and tire (SZ 50)
44 lbs - 93-96 Camaro wheel with Nitto drag
41.5 lbs - 93-96 Camaro wheel with bald 255 BFG drag radial
40 lbs - Weld Pro Star (15x10) with new Hoosier QTP 28x11.5-15 (no tube)
35.3 lbs - New Dunlop SP8000 315/35/17 tire
31 lbs - New Dunlop SP8000 315/35/17 tire - hmm?
31 lbs - Kumho Victoracers 275/40/17 tire
30 lbs - New Dunlop SP8000 275/40/17 tire
29 lbs - 97 to 99 Vette standard rear wheel
28 lbs - Kumho Victoracers 315/35/17 tire
27 lbs - Weld Pro Stars (15x3.5) with Cooper 165R tire
27 lbs - 18x9 chrome Cobra R replica wheel
25.5 lbs - Hoosier A3S03 Autocross tire 315/35-17
25 lbs - Firestone SZ50EP stock size tire
25 lbs - New Futura 275/40/17 tire
24.5 lbs - Goodyear GSC 245/50/16 tire
24 lbs - 97 to 99 Vette magnesium rear wheel
22.5 lbs - Hoosier A3S03 Autocross tire 275/40-17
22 lbs - 90 Vette stock wheel 17x9.5
22 lbs - Hoosier R3S03 275/45/16 tire
22 lbs - 01 Camaro SS 17x9 wheel
22 lbs - 2 piece Centerline Sabre type 17x9.5 wheel
21.5 lbs - 97 to 99 Vette 18x9.5 wheel
20.06 lbs - 00 Vette standard rear wheel
20.5 lbs - OE ZR1 17x9.5 wheel
20.5 lbs - AFS replica 16" SS wheel
20.1lbs - 97 to 99 Vette magnesium front wheel
20 lbs - CCW 17x10 wheel
20 lbs - CCW 17x11 wheel
20 lbs - 3 piece Centerline Sabre 17x9.5 wheel
19.5 lbs - 1996 stock Camaro wheel
19.5 lbs - Stock 5 star 16" Z28 wheel
19 lbs - 2000 stock Camaro wheel
19 lbs - 97 to 99 Vette 17x8.5 wheel
18-19 lbs - Centerline 17x9.5 wheel
18.08 lbs - 00 Vette standard front wheel
18 lbs - Fiske FM5 17x9.5 wheel
17 lbs - 2000+ stock Camaro wheel (different than above?)
13 lbs - Weld Pro Star (15x8)
10 lbs - Weld Pro Star (15x3.5)
10 lbs - Bogart DragStar 15x10 racing wheel


Interior
65 lbs - Wolfe weld-in 6pt. roll bar
42 lbs - 1997 Camaro front leather power seat
40 lbs - Carpet with the sound deadener
38 lbs - Spare tire and jack
36 lbs - Spare tire and jack
34 lbs - Passenger seat
32 lbs - 1997 Camaro front leather manual seat
29 lbs - Rear seats
24 lbs - Heater core
20 lbs - Front & rear seatbelts with bolts
17 lbs - Passenger airbag with bracket
10 lbs - Driver side airbag
9 lbs - Center console (Trans Am)
7 lbs - Under dash AC plastic moulding
7 lbs - Bose speakers (95 Z28)
6.9 lbs - 6 way power seats over manual seats
5 lbs - Stereo
5 lbs - Rear pair of seat belts and retractors
4 lbs - Rear panel with speaker
4 lbs - Rear hatch cover / divider
2.7 lbs - Power windows over manual windows
2.7 lbs - Sunvisor (pair)
2 lbs - Sunvisor (pair)
2 lbs - Glove Box
2 lbs - Rear hatch cover
2 lbs - Insulation glued to dash
2 lbs - Factory Monsoon amp
1.8 lbs - Power door locks over manual locks
1.8 lbs - Rear floor mats
1.3 lbs - Remote truck release motor
1 lbs - Rearview mirror
0.4 lbs - Keyless entry option over no keyless entry
0.4 lbs - Rear window defogger

Exterior

44 lbs - 93-97 Stock Camaro hood with insulation
31 lbs - Rear bumper reinforcement and brackets
23 lbs - Front bumper reinforcement and brackets
12.3 lbs - T-tops
4 lbs - Front impact absorber
3 lbs - Wipers
2.7 lbs - Z28 fog lamps
1.8 lbs - Body side mouldings

Suspension

33 lbs - Suspension Techniques 35mm front sway bar
14 lbs - Front sway bar and brackets
14 lbs - 2002 stock torque arm
13 lbs - Stock rear springs
13 lbs - Front sway bar
12 lbs - Edelbrock torque arm
8 lbs - Rear sway bar with end links
2 lbs - Rear spring perches
2 lbs - Front sway bar mount

Exhaust

29 lbs - Mufflex rear sec (over-axle pipe, muffler, outlet)

[LETZRIDE]

Re: weight

well, ironically enough, i just posted this then cracked open an old super chevy magazine from '02 & guess what was staring me in the face...if their stats are correct, here's the weights they give on the camaro (for '02 anyway-i guess they're the same at least from '98 & up?) <RS/coupe/manual-3323 <RS/coupe/auto-3380 <RS/convertible/manual-3466 <RS/convertible/auto-3524 <Z28&SS/coupe/manual-3411 <Z28&SS/coupe/auto-3433 <Z28&SS/convertible/manual-3554 <Z28&SS/convertible/auto-3577

I thought auto's were supposed to be lighter?

[heavychevy383]

Re: weight

awesome-as usuall y'all are a wealth of knowledge! what an incredibile break down of the parts/weights! thank you! ...it'll give me something to "obsess" over-lol! & as far as the lil'mazdas & cars like it...ive seen them little cars do some wild stuff like that, we have a section of road just over from me, kinda famous, deals gap (aka-the dragons tail) 318 mountain corners in 11 miles! & those lil'miatas can go thru there tearing it up-usually only gettin shown up by the sport bike guys--man those guys are freakin nuts! ...but in a good way-lol! btw-i also noticed where i did miss some "weight info" under the tech section-oops-but thank ya'll for all the input! as corny as it may sound, i have really enjoyed this car & part of the reason are all the friendly, knowledgable, & ready to help attitude kinda folks on this forum--big time kudos ya'll!

[cam98aro]

Re: weight

I thought auto's were supposed to be lighter?

have you ever picked up an auto compared to a manual?

its a world of difference

[ssms5411]

Re: weight

I have picked up both the auto was alittle heavier , not much but then you have to look at the extra bracing the manuals have on the sides where the motor mounts are, autos don't have that and also the slave & master cly, extra pedal , all the stuff adds up, even the steering colums are different from auto to manual.

[Richardcoelho]

Re: weight

wish we can swap an all aluminum v6