my last times for a while...

[Only4U]

well, i went to the track this evening. weather was decent--about 65 outside and 50% humidity. the wind was blowing due south about 40-50 mph, and the track was facing due north :mad:

well, i hadn't the best day today, and so i wasn't expecting the trip to the track to be much better. a local guy has been putting me off for 3 weeks on the lca's and i didn't want to go until i had the lca's. but the nitto's were in my closet, and i haven't really been into the whole car thing lately, so i decided to get them out and go hit up the track. although my goal was a 14, i was just shy of it:

RT - .5688 :D

60' - 1.9872
1/8 - 9.47
ET - 15.07
MPH - 88.01

for my first run, i left the street tires on, to get an idea of what my time would be comparable to the last time i went to the track with the verter and no DR's...it was hardly any different...

60' - 2.27
1/4 - 15.49
MPH - 87.22

the last run with street tires was something like a 15.57@87.34 i think.

o well, i don't guess it was a bad night really. i just wasn't in the mood and haven't been lately, so i needed to go before i completely didn't care anymore.

i was like one of those crazy 9 sec cars i was hopping around so much at the starts. i fishtailed on every run cause my car was bunny hopping. tires weren't spinning much, a little, but not too bad. wish i had gone slicks from day one, the nitto's just weren't strong enough for my 3600 converter. i ran up against a z06 the time i hit the 15.0, his time was:

60' - 2.30
1/8 - 8.71
1/4 - 13.09
MPH - 113.49

it's amazing how close our 1/8 times are--i jumped ahead of that son of a ***** so fast i was scared of the power my car had on low end. he caught up 6-7 car lengths faster than i would have ever expected though--as you can tell by the 1/8 mile time.

magnus--flashing the converter to 1300 doesn't do it for me. i stalled at about 2300 all night and was hitting constant 15.1's, 15.2's, the one time i "flashed" it i hit a 15.35. so i'm not too hot on that idea.

all in all, i'm glad i went, i didn't have fun at all to tell you the truth because the wind was blowing so hard in the OPPOSITE direction, i was pissed. i couldn't even open my door until i parked my car going with the wind. i threw my cigar about 10 ft in the air, and it flew SIX parking spaces and almost hit a mustang 5.0! that should give you an idea.

anyway, those are the times, you probably won't see any from me again for a while. with some slicks and lca's, i'm pretty sure mid 14s would have been a breeze (minus the 50 mph breeze, that is). but with what i had, i couldn't use the converter to it's full potential--which upset me, but, i guess that's how it goes: live and learn.

[ October 30, 2002: Message edited by: Only4U ]</p>

[12secondv6]

Are you running nitto drag radials?
I can dead hook with my set up and pull low 1.9's with my 3200 verter and 323's.
Tire psi is 20
I roll through the water box and just snap the rear tires slightly.
I then roll out and lock the line locks.
I then begin to spin the drag's
I spin until I see white smoke and then count for 5+ seconds.
I then let off the line locks and just ease into the gas so the rear tires slowly grab.
How do you do your burn outs?
Slicks are way too much for our cars n/a in my opinion.

[Only4U]

ya, i did my burnouts the same exact way.. psi was at about 28. i dropped it to 22 once and got even worse traction. the nitto drag radials i'm using are 245/50/16 and brand spanking new. they just weren't hooking. but as you can tell from the z06 that raced next to me, no one was getting great traction.

[slacker69]

what track were you at man if u say temple thats why i cut 2.3's there and sometimes worse i dont see how they can call it a track there are pot holes around the 1/8th mile

[SLOWBRAEATER]

wait your the one with the edge racing 3600 stall right? why did you only run 15s? man im supposed to get that tc today, i hope it works well, andre guaranteed i would get better results with his tc over anyone elses.

[SLOWBRAEATER]

your 60ft was sub 2 seconds so you must have been getting decent traction, man im worried about this edge converter now :( i hope andre is right when he said i will get better results with his converter than anyone elses i guess i will see.

[ravenp]

dude, you cannot guage a company's product by one persons track times! of course Andre is going to say that, and he may be right... but you'll never know until we get a larger number of people running them in all sorts of conditions.

Evan mentioned that the was a strong wind. That and possibly lowering his psi a bit too far may have killed the top end enough to prevent 14's, but not by much.

Considering his mods, that wasnt' a bad run!

Go back with the LCA's and good weather and you'll be in 14's consistantly for sure!

[ravenp]

Not only that, but you can't just slap on a 3600 stall converter and instantly know how to launch with it. Takes practice! Like anything [img]smile.gif[/img] Although he seemed to do okay, with sub 2sec 60' times. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[WickEdSix9838]

not all converters like to be flashed...when my dad still had his 427 in his racecar with an ATI converter, it would run faster stalling it all the way up than flashing it up...he has an A-1 and a different ATI converter now and it really doesnt make much of a difference ET wise with the A-1, but the ATI has to be stalled all the way up to run worth anything though, the ATI is a little too tight for the combination though...

[ October 31, 2002: Message edited by: WickEdSix9838 ]</p>

[slacker69]

I pull my 1.8 60 foot by stalling up my converter all the way to 3000 rpm and with spray i pnly pull a 17.0 60 and pull a tire off the ground

[Only4U]

i was in seguin.

slowbraeater--have no fear, the converter is good. did you look at the z06's times? he ran a 13.0 flat--01 z06's run low 12s and 02's are capable of 11s STOCK. it's OBVIOUS that there were some issues last night. like i said before, the wind was EASILY blowing 50 mph, it was awful, i've never been in a wind that strong and consistent that i can remember. if the track weren't so far away, i would have turned around and come back home. i mentioned also that i was hopping like a mother effer coming out of the hole. i even spun a bit on that particular run. and i also said that i ran my car without the drag's and ran a 15.5, which is exactly what i ran the last time without drags.

you have to realize something with your converter. it will slow you down on the street and on the strip unless you have the proper suspension work like drags and lca's. i guarantee you that.

TO ANYONE OUT THERE THAT THINKS THEY KNOW ABOUT TORQUE CONVERTERS, YOU CANNOT JUST SLAP ONE ON YOUR TRANSMISSION AND EXPECT TO BE RUNNING LOW 14'S

it's like headers, hi-flow cat, and cat-back with nitrous--if you leave exhaust stock, you might run a whole second worse.

don't underestimate edge converters. south texas is the worst place to race a car, no matter how fast it is, ESPECIALLY when the wind is blowing so hard.

i have no doubt in my mind i would have seen mid 14s without the wheel hop and the wind. damn you guys, ya'll are dissing my times because of my mods so now i have to go back to the track to prove you all wrong. that's why i went to the track yesterday, so i wouldn't have to go back :mad:

[ravenp]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Only4U:


you have to realize something with your converter. it will slow you down on the street and on the strip unless you have the proper suspension work like drags and lca's. i guarantee you that.
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What do you mean 'slow you down'? Your times are better than before the converter...

I realize that with the increase in torque to the rear wheels, traction becomes a bigger issue and if you dont' address that you wont' GET THE MOST out of your converter, but i can't see it slowing you down.

After this winter, my car is going to have a very similar setup to yours, so i'm very interested in how you're running. I'm encouraged to see the 15.4 in terrible conditions, and even more encouraged to see the 15.1 with slicks. With less headwind, you would have hit high 14's.

That's where I hope to be next summer. Then with suspension mods, that should drop as you say. Ignore the haters man [img]smile.gif[/img]

Dont' get frustrated. It's a complicated puzzle that requires one piece at a time. Not everyone realizes that you can't just slap on a few mods and make great times. It's a balance.

Keep at it and keep us posted. YOu're going to have a fast n/a car there, and I'm right on your tail ;)

:D

[Only4U]

haha, thx a lot man [img]smile.gif[/img]

well, i can say this. i left my two nitto's with the rims on them in the trunk when i ran the one run without the nitto's on...i started in sgs, and i got very little spin because of both of those--so my time was actually decent for street tires. so when i actually ran a decent time with radials, my time was 15.07, and i was still hopping+spinning a little. either way, that's 4 tenths of a second difference.

i dunno, i think the converter, if anything, is the exact same on street tires as without. i can't race someone from a start and not spin, which hurts me...but, my top end is a lot more efficient, so i actually go faster up top--so it evens out.

but i'll say one thing. launching at 2400 rpms with a 3600 converter is damn mean. it makes the car a worth a whole lot more to have.

[ravenp]

You launched in second gear start mode and pulled a 15.4? What happens in normal drive? Too much hop? Now you're scaring me [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Only4U]

too much damn hop+spin...i'm telling you, the car is not raceable on the street. the sgs and the tires in the back gave me a pretty good launch too, i was impressed at the small amount of spinning i had. usually with sgs on, i spin a lot, but not for as long. and in first i can leave 20 feet of rubber easily on just about any surface. it's crazy torque, i can assure you that, but it is fun. now i just got to work on that damn horsepower part of our cars [img]tongue.gif[/img]