removing serpentine belt for a pass

[Only4U]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Silver97Camaro:


Well, look at it this way. When your water pump is running it creates a pressure. This pressure is never high enough to open the thermostat until the temperature of the coolant reaches the specification of the thermostat. This means that the only way the thermostat opens is by the pressure generated by the pump and understanding how the coolant reacts to temperature (how it expands). When both the water pump pressure and the coolant pressure (after it has expanded) is added together it is great enough to open the thermostat. So, really you should never be able to exceed the pressure rating of any gasket. The only thing you really have to worry about is running to hot. Which could make many funny things can happen. By the way I didn't post this to argue or disrespect anyone's opinion. So don't think I'm trying to say I know more than another member. I just wanted to say that because I see their is a little conflict between some people on the board. [img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img] <hr></blockquote>

no i agree. but i could see other problems happening, not that they are likely...nevertheless, they could happen. of course, driving the car down the street you could kill it, that doesn't mean it's going to happen. but, by doing something that really isn't very "good" on the motor is running your risks pretty high. regardless--your call.

[99Camaro99]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by THUPERMAN:
&lt;----------------------------- still waiting for the explosion of angry faces and thumbsdown's from Only4U. asdf;lkjsadf;lkjsadf;laksjfsaf

Mike, did you ever run at RCR in SA?

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:mad: [img]redface.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbsdown.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbsdown.gif[/img] [img]redface.gif[/img] :mad:

ya happy now. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Sorry I'm just in a gleeful mood right now.

Only4U...if tractions a problem, try different launching techniques and/or different tires. Also it could be that the track you run at just plain and simply SUCKS. I know elevation plays a factor in times, but you're close to sea level aren't ya? Oh and the idea of judging times on mods...that's called bench racing which is gh3y. However, it's also a useful guide to judge where you SHOULD BE. Later.

[12secondv6]

Holy crap guys, some of you really need to lay off!!!!

Getting back to the topic:
Try a run with it and then w/o it.

1) Obviously don't let the car run for long w/o it due to overheating.

2) No power steering is fine, I run a manual steering rack!!

3) A/C, who cares???

4) Alternator, eh, just watch voltage. With the fan on it really does suck a decent amount of power so watch out.

I have started my bird w/o it before and the bird's idle was VERY high!!!
It seemed to need the drag of the belt and pullies. I think it stayed around 2500?!?!?!
Maybe this was a freak thing that occured.

I am curious as to the results.

Best of luck and let us know

[97chevycamaro]

I like my car becuase its a stock automatic that runs 10.000 flat in the 1/8.

[Magnus]

Is Thuperman Scott or not? If you have good solid evidence, shoot me an e-mail.. I have ZERO tolerance now.

If you DO run without a belt, make sure your car is already VERY cold and coolant temps are below 160. Take it off RIGHT before you make the pass.. do NOT idle in the staging lanes with it off or even drive up there with it off.

Bring the belt with you.. and put it on RIGHT after you make your turnoff.

Your coolant won't be circulated with the belt off and will get VERY hot when you make your pass.. perhaps 250+ degrees.. NOT GOOD i do NOT recomend you do this.

It may be worth .1 from bypassing the alternator. That's the real drag point.

I ran a short belt and ran only water pump, alt and an idler and gained nothign by bypasing the Power Steering. I did SEVERAL back to back passes and the power steering pulley applies minimal drag in a straight line drag race. ;)

The gains are to be had only by bypassing the alternator.. A/C cluthc is disengaged at WOT.

[Skinny]

I wouldn't suggest doing this either. You'll be at Gainesville, thats my other home. There is a VERY long distance between the turnoff and the pits. Including burnout, stage, timeslip collection, and making your way to a good place to stop and do car work, expect to be running your car for 3+ mins. Thats a LONG time to not have a water pump.

[I_Love_Houston]

Yeah, this is Scott. Are you okay? Don't like the name Scott or something???

Scott

[malloynx#2]

i guess your all right, i'm going to leave it on

[Only4U]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Magnus:
Is Thuperman Scott or not? If you have good solid evidence, shoot me an e-mail.. I have ZERO tolerance now.

If you DO run without a belt, make sure your car is already VERY cold and coolant temps are below 160. Take it off RIGHT before you make the pass.. do NOT idle in the staging lanes with it off or even drive up there with it off.

Bring the belt with you.. and put it on RIGHT after you make your turnoff.

Your coolant won't be circulated with the belt off and will get VERY hot when you make your pass.. perhaps 250+ degrees.. NOT GOOD i do NOT recomend you do this.

It may be worth .1 from bypassing the alternator. That's the real drag point.

I ran a short belt and ran only water pump, alt and an idler and gained nothign by bypasing the Power Steering. I did SEVERAL back to back passes and the power steering pulley applies minimal drag in a straight line drag race. ;)

The gains are to be had only by bypassing the alternator.. A/C cluthc is disengaged at WOT.<hr></blockquote>

wow, no one would listen to me, but you listen to magnus? whatever. magnus--thx for not bashing me like everyone else on this damn board, i appreciate that. thank you for making these other guys shut up about why i am a "homo" for saying exactly what you did. to the rest of you, [img]graemlins/thumbsdown.gif[/img] for treating me like ****.

[hawgs]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Only4U:


wow, no one would listen to me, but you listen to magnus? whatever. magnus--thx for not bashing me like everyone else on this damn board, i appreciate that. thank you for making these other guys shut up about why i am a "homo" for saying exactly what you did. to the rest of you, [img]graemlins/thumbsdown.gif[/img] for treating me like ****.<hr></blockquote>

lets analyze this thread okay the first post by you said it wouldnt work, where as kieths post said it would work just wouldnt do much, and have evidence to back that up... you see the difference there? and you kinda came out fighting with that first post and set yourself up for the flamming you recieved. the reason no one listened to what you were saying is because what you said was wrong, which gives perfect validity to everyones comments. you and keith did not say the same thing.

[Only4U]

alright...

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by hawgs:
lets analyze this thread okay the first post by you said it wouldnt work, where as kieths post said it would work just wouldnt do much, and have evidence to back that up... you see the difference there? ...

you and keith did not say the same thing.<hr></blockquote>

let's anaylze this even further:

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Only4U:
i wouldn't run the car for very long like that. <hr></blockquote>

my comment above...magnus' below:

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Magnus:
Take it off RIGHT before you make the pass.. do NOT idle in the staging lanes with it off or even drive up there with it off.

Bring the belt with you.. and put it on RIGHT after you make your turnoff.
<hr></blockquote>

same thought process we both had--DON'T drive your car long without a belt.

and...


<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Only4U:
taking your belt off is a terrible idea<hr></blockquote>

once again, basically the same thing:

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Magnus:
NOT GOOD i do NOT recomend you do this.
<hr></blockquote>

although i will agree i had some different points that that of magnus, and vice versa; the whole idea here was why not to run with the belt off, regadless of the standpoint one takes while proving that main point. obviously, since keith and i are two different people, our reasons are not going to be entirely the same. however, i said from the start that of what keith said.


<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by hawgs:
and you kinda came out fighting with that first post and set yourself up for the flamming you recieved. the reason no one listened to what you were saying is because what you said was wrong, which gives perfect validity to everyones comments. <hr></blockquote>

see, the thing is that every comment i made i had to get a jackass and a jackass's comment to respond further. for instance:

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by THUPERMAN:
1. You're a homo
2. 15.2 convertered car is slow
<hr></blockquote>

and:

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by malloynx#2:
hey dickhead ...

take your slow *** car and piss off.<hr></blockquote>

were these comments necessary? scott and mike both attempted to shoot my sarcasm down by calling my car slow. mike shot down my sarcasm by calling me a dickhead, scott by calling me a homo. did i call scott or mike anything first? how was i the instigator? by saying something sarcastic? since when is the penalty for sarcasm flaming someone? there is not an ounce of "perfect validity" for being flamed. the only closely justified comment i got from anyone yet from my sarcasm is from one person--mike, and it was:

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by malloynx#2:
i was asking for an educated guess. <hr></blockquote>

that is the only one, the shadiness of me, and the dickhead line was totally out of line as was the shooting down of my car and calling me names.

however, it is possible that my sarcasm was a fractional bit out of line as well, but nothing remotely close to that of scott's comments and mike's alike. my comment was obviously sarcastic and my opinion on the matter was obviously stated, and my reasons were obviously stated. here, i'll break it down for you:

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Only4U:
it's not like the belt controls the crankshaft, alternator, or any of those necessary components that require your car to run, so you are free to take it off!
<hr></blockquote>

firstly, here are my points in this sarcastic line:

1. i disagree.
2. important parts of the car need to run, and taking the belt off requires them to not work for a moment and that could cause harm to the engine.

and that is all. please don't tell me you have never said anything sarcastic in your life time on this board that wasn't trying to get a point across.

[ December 05, 2002: Message edited by: Only4U ]</p>

[hawgs]

first off man calm the f*ck down, stop getting so defensive, and take a valium so you can chill out. i was not flaming you. second off pull the panties that are obviously in a wad out of you *** crack its a freaking message board... this is what happens on message boards some people get flamed, and people flame people. maybe .0005% of the worlds population are repesented on this board. why do you care what they think, honestly. you get way too f*cking hyped up over some stupid sh*t. just chill out and learn to ignore sh*t you dont want to hear. it takes two to fight and you keep going. if you dont like what people say and dont want to fight then dont respond back... easy as that.

[apiccola]

One time ... at the race track [band camp] ... there was a bunch of bros that dumped an ice chest on a GN intake ... but I'm not sure how the story ended ... maybe they welded a handcrank to the water pump pulley, and hired a midget to turn it ... or maybe they were eaten by a bear.

Semper fac id!!! That's latin wisdom for JUST DO IT!!!!

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[hawgs]

oh and in that first post you didnt disagree you said the car would not work... when in fact it would. thats what i was pointing out when i called you wrong

[Only4U]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by hawgs:
first off man calm the f*ck down, stop getting so defensive, and take a valium so you can chill out. i was not flaming you. second off pull the panties that are obviously in a wad out of you *** crack its a freaking message board... this is what happens on message boards some people get flamed, and people flame people. maybe .0005% of the worlds population are repesented on this board. why do you care what they think, honestly. you get way too f*cking hyped up over some stupid sh*t. just chill out and learn to ignore sh*t you dont want to hear. it takes two to fight and you keep going. if you dont like what people say and dont want to fight then dont respond back... easy as that.<hr></blockquote>

never said you were flaming me. you got a little bit intrigued by my last post as i can tell by the use of words in your post. the reason i am defensive is mainly because of scott and his stupid-*** reasons to get pissed off at me, flame me, and then act like he doesn't exist for no reason. i don't care what people here think, i don't care what scott thinks, but i do like arguing, especially when i'm right. *shrugs* once again, i knew you weren't flaming me, and for you, likewise; however, i proved my point and that's all i set out to do. not pissed off in the least, just enjoying the debate actually. any other comments?

[ December 05, 2002: Message edited by: Only4U ]</p>