Finally took the V6 to the track *initial first run results*

[redbird00]

he added the y87, gears(3.42) and 14:1 steering rack and power steering cooler, i think thats it, if not please lemme know, word...

merlin

[SilverTAWS6]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by redbird00:
he added the y87, gears(3.42) and 14:1 steering rack and power steering cooler, i think thats it, if not please lemme know, word...

merlin<hr></blockquote>

The V6 Camaro and Firebird in 5 spd form NEVER came with 3.42 gears. They were the automatic only option. So if he added those, he would be wrong in saying that they were available in the car from factory.

Chris

[Ian]

if you have an M5, and you added 3.42's, people are right, thats not a stock option on the M5's.

and if a sick driver from GM HighTech mag. could get a best of something like 15.09 on a stock 1996 M5 with no air cleaner and the serp. belt removed, i doubt you will hit 14's leavign the car stock.

but good luck with it........

[redbird00]

yeah the 3.23's are for M5's, and he put 3.42's in...

merlin

[navyblue2000]

I hit 15.2 with just a muffler :D
on a 2.25 60' time, open rear
that same day cut a 14.9 with lid/muffler on a 2.19 60'
( converted back to stock everythign else but muffler)

14.8 with ftra/Lid/cat back exhaust, and yeah, PAPER air filter
on a 2.1 60' time

now if only i could drive worth a lick...

[ October 25, 2003: Message edited by: navyblue2000 ]</p>

[Bliggida]

I said factory options for a Camaro V6. Not factory options for a specific M49 code Camaro V6.

131,xxx miles on it.

Anyway, I wasn't able to get out to the dragstrip this week at all.

next Saturday night is looking really good. I look forward to improving everywhere on the track and learning the car better.

Nino, Brandon, and Merlin are you guys going? If only for support?

[navyblue2000]

you shoulda just dropped in 3.73's...

or heck, strap an M90 on there, sure the V6 camaros didnt get it as an option, but the upgrade was there for the grand prix's, that's a GM factory car... :rolleyes:

M5 + 3.42 != stock.

[navyblue2000]

AND, not to be a jerk, but why does it say 14.99 on your page on car domain?

edit: and no, your car DOESN'T run 14's until you produce a 14 second slip. I used to be able to say it had 14's in it, then when i learned to drive I could cut some 14 second times. i run a best of 14.86, i KNOW it's got 14.6x in it, but I won't ever say it runs 14.6 until i have a timeslip to back it.

[ October 26, 2003: Message edited by: navyblue2000 ]</p>

[SilverTAWS6]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bliggida:
I said factory options for a Camaro V6. Not factory options for a specific M49 code Camaro V6.
<hr></blockquote>

Yes, which indicates that it was an option for your package. Or should I have said that my car was a "stock car" with "GM options" when I put 4.10's in (after all, GM trucks offer 4.10's)?

And to quote your phrase "And it's stock, its got no more than an RS or Y87.", yes it does since no RS's or Y87's came with 3.42's and a 5spd.

Chris

[Timbo1969]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SilverTAWS6:


Yes, which indicates that it was an option for your package. Or should I have said that my car was a "stock car" with "GM options" when I put 4.10's in (after all, GM trucks offer 4.10's)?

And to quote your phrase "And it's stock, its got no more than an RS or Y87.", yes it does since no RS's or Y87's came with 3.42's and a 5spd.

Chris<hr></blockquote>Umm I believe he has a valid point there....

[img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]

[SlowCamaro96]

Now I wanna know how in the hell you guys get low to mid 15s out of stock cars??? I went to the track last week pulled my best ever (15.5 @ 86.49) I have 121k miles, a cutout behind ypipe, and a kn filter. Plus at that run i weighed 3250 with me in the car (removed hood, passenger seat, backseat). I just dont understand what you guys do?! Its not me as the driver, cause its an a4 and i pulled a 2.0 60'. pulled a best of 2.163. Tell me guys???
And by the way, never heard any thing about ANY stock v6 running 14.xx [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img]

[MustangEater8251]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SlowCamaro96:
Now I wanna know how in the hell you guys get low to mid 15s out of stock cars??? I went to the track last week pulled my best ever (15.5 @ 86.49) I have 121k miles, a cutout behind ypipe, and a kn filter. Plus at that run i weighed 3250 with me in the car (removed hood, passenger seat, backseat). I just dont understand what you guys do?! Its not me as the driver, cause its an a4 and i pulled a 2.0 60'. pulled a best of 2.163. Tell me guys???
And by the way, never heard any thing about ANY stock v6 running 14.xx [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] <hr></blockquote>

glad I am not the only one that thinks this...

And I was about to say your car is now way stock, feck if that is your idea of stock then my car is almost stock. Other then the poly torque arm bushing, crank pulley, and homemade intake. And sometimes at the track, I just pull my intake off.

[Magnus]

no more owned crap.!

[97chevycamaro]

[img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] I love when you people get going

[Bliggida]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SilverTAWS6:
Yes, which indicates that it was an option for your package. Or should I have said that my car was a "stock car" with "GM options" when I put 4.10's in (after all, GM trucks offer 4.10's)?

And to quote your phrase "And it's stock, its got no more than an RS or Y87.", yes it does since no RS's or Y87's came with 3.42's and a 5spd.

Chris<hr></blockquote>

No need to talk about trucks. At one point when SLP was running the SS for Chevy, 3.73's and 4.10's were factory options you could check off.

But anyway, there is nothing, absolutely nothing on my car that isn't 100% OEM equipment. Or was not available to V6 Camaro's.

Y87's were available to my knowledge in both automatic and manual transmission's. While all manuals got 3.23's regardless of posi or not. Any automatic transmission car that recieved a Y87 option of a Zexel-Torsen limited slip differential also recieved 3.42 gears.

The gears came straight out of Nino's V6.

Same applies with the 1-piece driveshaft. Now I have been told that there were some factory 5-speeds that for what ever reason got a 1-piece driveshaft, when all of them should have been a 2-piece carrier bearing unit. I swapped mine with a 1-piece steel unit from an automatic V6 car. Would have been nice to get a hold of an LS1 or 1LE aluminum driveshaft. But to my knowledge no V6's came with that. They were always steel.

Its a matter of your definition, or mine.
Who's right and who's wrong?

Are any of you going to be able to tell
the difference between 3.23 and 3.42 gears by SOTP.
Or even by checking my RPM. 2225 RPM vs. 2275 RPM. That minute a difference?
My first gears went bad and I needed a fast replacement. So a performance set of 3.73's, 4.10's, or 4.56's wasn't an option at the time. So I replaced them with regular stock gears.

Are any of you going to neccesarily tell, having never seen my car before, or have any knowledge of it...be up on a rack and tell that the stock driveshaft I have came from a V6 Auto car has replaced a 2-piece driveshaft. Espeically when keeping in mind that there are some 1-piece/5-speed freak cars out there???

You are certainly free to criticize the definitions and terms I use to talk about my car.
But look at the facts:
No air intake, or lid, no 'free ram air mods', not even a high performance filter, or removal of the air silencer's.
No exhaust work done, other than I had a 40 series slapped on for some sound. No cat-back, all stock piping etc.

With the exception of that muffler and a couple other non-performance related items (cosmetics) there isn't anything on that car that deals with the powertrain that isn't 100% OEM GM parts that came on a V6 Camaro.

As far as saying its a 14.99 car and not having a 14.99 timeslip. Well, I can only say that you may not have had the experiance I have had. The fact that YOU might not say that is well...YOU. I, on the other hand believe that I have a better idea and understanding of what MY car is capable than anyone else? I could be wrong.

Never-the-less, I don't have to witness the Ultra Z from SLP make a run and see a timeslip to know that it's going to go at least into the 10's down the strip, based merely on the equipment it has.

Its a simple matter of opinion, the way I look at it. Where as you might be quick to say 'oh its not stock', My view, having noted that there isn't any part on that vehicle (performance-wise) that isn't a factory option for a V6 Camaro. That its 'tuned stock'. To describe the fact that every part on it is a factory GM part for a V6 Camaro. They are still stock parts. So the car to me is still stock.

I didn't realize that what I did with my car was so important to all of you. Usually everyone around here just ignores me. Regardless, I have enough experiance to know a 14.99 car when I see, and feel it. And I'll be proving it within the next month (roughly) for you.

I'm sure someone will make excuses once I produce a 14.99 timeslip but be that as it may, my point will have been proven. You may choose to walk (and talk) softly, but that's you. Nothing wrong with it, that's just how you are. Fine. Myself on the other hand, talk big because I produce big results.

Not that it matters, especially around here. But, when that time(slip) comes I will have demonstrated yet once again, that maybe...just maybe I know what the heck I'm talking about.

&lt;insert the obligatory "Blig is the Car god" statement&gt;

Which by the way:
I never said that
I never thought that
I never portrayed that

*Edit* something I just thought of...
Its come to my attention as I consider the statement made, that there is particular levels to ones' definitions. For example, if you asked me where I lived, I could say that I live in the United States of America. But I live in Texas. I live in San Antonio. Which one is correct? well they all are. Its just how broad you are in specifics.

In the chain of (not a word) 'broadness' for a Camaro and the parts used on it would be as follows.

Camaro V6 5-speed
Camaro V6
Camaro
GM parts

At the first level, there isn't much room for interpretation. Which is why I never stated it was 'stock for a 5-Speed V6'
At the second level it allows you more breathing room while still remaining true to the V6 engine.
But when I say 'stock Camaro parts' Heck, I could start parts-bin diving out of Z28 and SS equipment. Or even worse at the last level of remaining stock to the weakest form of definition, say that they are GM parts, getting LS1 springs, hot cam, GM 4.10 gears, 275mm tires, so on and so forth.

After all of those, is finally the aftermarket and in which anything goes.

But I said it has all stock parts for a V6 Camaro am I wrong in saying that? Is that a lie? No, its true, I'm just not being particular to be specific to the highest level of definition by saying its a stock V6 Camaro 5-speed. So do I live in the USA or Texas? Both, I just didn't bother to narrow the field.

Food for thought?!

[ October 28, 2003: Message edited by: Bliggida ]</p>