So 14s in a v6 camaro with $0 in mods...

[MustangEater8251]

I swear you jsut argue, jsut to argue...

Maybe you are John Force then...


I have seen many 3.8Ls run... they were mid15 to low 16 seond cars... with mods were running better...

damnit did you have to pick tonight to bicker? I am tired as hell, while other nights I could stay up all night bickeing... :D

[Magnus]

Hey, you gave me so much crap before... and now what?

you dished the same exact crap to me.. and now you can't take it?

You got a 3.8 taht does what it should in the 1/4 when before 3.8's where such crap and 3.4's FLEW!

[MustangEater8251]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Magnus:
Hey, you gave me so much crap before... and now what?

you dished the same exact crap to me.. and now you can't take it?

You got a 3.8 taht does what it should in the 1/4 when before 3.8's where such crap and 3.4's FLEW!<hr></blockquote>

hehe when did I ever say 3.4Ls were faster then 3.8Ls, never, Jesus Christ... I am not retarted. What I said is they are not that much faster, mainly not worth the trouble of a 3.4L-3.8L swap, but you said, 3.8Ls are god, and people shoudl swap to them... And I still hold up they are not that different... remember I have driven and owned both... you haven't.

I am done for now, girlfreind is calling for some loving and I need some sleep will continue to bicker with you after work tommorrow, that sound good to you? My bickering schedule has been kind of empty recently, I thought you lost your backbone.

Either way... good night and sweet dreams Magnus...

[WishIHad$$$]

Hell, I don't wanna get into this, but the 3.4 to 3.8 swap IS a cost effective horsepower adder. I don't see why anyone could tell me it's not.

[Drone51]

14.9 is weak

jmorgan ran 14.4 with intake and exhast on street tires, 14's in a 3.8 are nothin in good weather and a car that is well kept


some of the things no one thinks about is:

Your engin temp (buy a fan switch and a 160 termo and you will run faster more consistantly and with less down time)

the weather is such a huge factor, you wan to race when it is as cold as possible with the least amount of humidity

i know someone that has run 14.7's with an intake stock tires and an open rear

why because of the weather

[MustangEater8251]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by WishIHad$$$:
Hell, I don't wanna get into this, but the 3.4 to 3.8 swap IS a cost effective horsepower adder. I don't see why anyone could tell me it's not.<hr></blockquote>


Cpuple hundred more nad you cna do an lt1 swap, which is actually easier hten a 3.8L swap

[WishIHad$$$]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by MustangEater8251:



Cpuple hundred more nad you cna do an lt1 swap, which is actually easier hten a 3.8L swap<hr></blockquote>

How much is an LT1 swap? I believe you can do a 3.8 swap for a few hundred, including cost of motor.

[Magnus]

You can get a 3.8 engine/tranny/PCM/Harness for $650 if you shop around.

[WishIHad$$$]

exactly...I knew it could be done for a few hundred...and 40 hp is quite a gain for the price. Reason I am questioning the LT1 swap is I know the cheapest LS1 swaps are still a few grand, I assume the same for LT1?

[Shirl]

Eric, nice run! sounds like you have a little "ringer" on your hands :cool: now start building that car up and get it's full potential out of it [img]graemlins/naughty.gif[/img]

[Tiago]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by WishIHad$$$:
exactly...I knew it could be done for a few hundred...and 40 hp is quite a gain for the price. Reason I am questioning the LT1 swap is I know the cheapest LS1 swaps are still a few grand, I assume the same for LT1?<hr></blockquote>

nah, lt1s are dirt cheap now days ... cheap to build too. Ls1s are $$$ :(

[navyblue2000]

children, children stop arguing [img]tongue.gif[/img]

i don't honestly consider a car running no spare and jack, or no serp belt, or open throttle body, bone stock. Stock engine yes, but the intake has been modified. Just like a lot of car guys consider induction mods and exhaust mods 'stock'.
The car didn't come from the showroom with an open throttle body.

thats awesome though that you got a good time out of it though. how long did you let it run before you ran it down the strip open TB?

[MustangEater8251]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by navyblue2000:
children, children stop arguing [img]tongue.gif[/img]

i don't honestly consider a car running no spare and jack, or no serp belt, or open throttle body, bone stock. Stock engine yes, but the intake has been modified. Just like a lot of car guys consider induction mods and exhaust mods 'stock'.
The car didn't come from the showroom with an open throttle body.

thats awesome though that you got a good time out of it though. how long did you let it run before you ran it down the strip open TB?<hr></blockquote>


Don't worry I know its not Bone stock... I don't consider it that, that is why I named the thread 14s for $0.

I think all I could muster is a 15.1 bone stock... maybe..


and yes I know 14s are week, and blah blah ran 14.5 with intake and exhasut. But what do they have? $300-500 in modifications? Only tool I even used on my car was 2 mechanical pencils! not even a wrench or screwdriver!And that was used to pop the pins out on the air box so I could take it out, and pop out hte C-ring and help me pull the MAF screen out.

Only reason I thought my times were significant was. I did not run spend 1 red cent on mods. All free mods, and I am still running the entire stock exahsut from manifolds to single tip exhaust.

[Magnus]

bone stock show room floor is one thing..

but its not that hard to do some free mods to really make a difference at the track, like the things you mentioned Drew.

[12secondv6]

Awesome times!!!
Very impressive

Good driver + strong car = 14's $0

And typically the 3.8's go high 15's to low 16's
unless you have a 00+ with an auto and 3:42's cause of the tubular manifolds, looser converter and LSD and gears

If the older 3.8's, 95-99 benifitted from what the 00+'s got then that high 15 low 16 range would move into the 15's all the time