I was pondering this thought....

[StudlyCamaro]

so would russels times be acceptable? he has a 3400 top end on his 3.4L...

[Jerriko]

Or what about my 3rd gen F-body with a 3.4L motor out of a 4th gen? Would I be excluded because I am using a motor that is excepted in a car that is excepted but since its a motor swap, it's not excepted? All the 3.4L is is a bored and stroked 2.8L. I don't understand what this thread is really about. You want only stock motors listed but you would except modifications. Isn't a motor swap a modification? Like others have said, its exceptable to port intake, use boost and NOS but not a engine swap? Where exactly would you draw this fine line between what is exceptable and what isn't on the timeslip page.

[imported_admin]

Originally posted by Shirl:
Not only that, but sorry the L67 was NOT a stock motor for our 4th Gen FBodies. To me, this is not much different than throwing a Series I motor in there.

To Shirl and all:

What I meant with "normal" engine is a 2.8, 3.1, L32 3.4, or L36 3.8 BLOCK. Whatever you do to that block is fair game.

I have an L36 block, same block my car came with when I drove it off the lot back in Jan of 98. But I have modified L67 piston assemblies and custom ported heads. Is my engine an L36? No. Is it an L67? No. Its more of an L51.5, halfway between the two... Russ has the DOHC 3.4 top end but the stock L32 block. If you bore/stroke/supercharge/build/turbo/juice your engine, fine, as long as it was once an acceptable BLOCK. That's what I meant with the part about inspiration--modified as it is, at its heart it is still the same engine our rookie members have.

What we're saying with no hybrids is you can't start with something weird like a 4.2. If that were the case, why even bother with a V6, why not start with an LS1...

[imported_admin]

Originally posted by Jerriko:
Or what about my 3rd gen F-body with a 3.4L motor out of a 4th gen?

That's an L32, one of our four accepted engines. Your car is a third gen F-Body, one of our accepted cars. So you're fine.

That same engine in a Fiero, however, would not be accepted. Similarly, the Turbo Trans Am motor in a fourth gen (or a third gen that originally had a 2.8/3.1 V6) would not be accepted. Also, a fourth gen with a full L67 (Eaton blower and all) would not be accepted. But a fourth gen with an L36 block and then some L67 components added (like Shane or myself) is fine.

[njspder]

a factory blower motor is not acceptable, but putting L67 components and a blower on the car is?
also, does this allow for stroker motors, or is it stock displacement and nothing else?
wouldn't it be just as easy and leave the board open to more members and more technology if the timeslips page just continues to follow it's currnet pattern as other engine combo's come online?
if the timeslip page does not continue to evolve and grow it has the potential to out date itself. as more and more people mod their cars and fewer cars are left stock then these combos that you want to disallow will not be here to share their tech and help board members.


later
tim

[Timbo1969]

If you are including the 2.8's and 3.1's out of the 3rd gens you should also include the 3.8 T/TA it to is a 3rd Gen and a V6. Isn't not doing so discrimination, as they did come from the factory with a V6 and they are 3rd Gen F-bodies. Unless of course, you are basing your non-inclusion on the fact that they were a limited production car, and were only produced for 1 year. Still though to me a V6 F-body is a V6 F-body. I know it's a different engine, and they would own every power adder record without question if they were allowed. At least until we get some people deep into the 10's. This, by the way is only an opinion, and not meant to slight anyone.. Thanks

[ February 24, 2004, 06:33 PM: Message edited by: Timbo1969 ]

[Jerriko]

Originally posted by njspder:
a factory blower motor is not acceptable, but putting L67 components and a blower on the car is?
also, does this allow for stroker motors, or is it stock displacement and nothing else?
wouldn't it be just as easy and leave the board open to more members and more technology if the timeslips page just continues to follow it's currnet pattern as other engine combo's come online?
if the timeslip page does not continue to evolve and grow it has the potential to out date itself. as more and more people mod their cars and fewer cars are left stock then these combos that you want to disallow will not be here to share their tech and help board members.


later
tim

Dude, well said. [img]graemlins/bowdown.gif[/img]
I don't know what it is but when you talk, I listen. [img]graemlins/popcorn.gif[/img]
:D

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

HOW ABOUT THIS ANY YEAR CAR COMBO AS LONG AS

1. ITS A F-BODY
2. ITS A V6 MOTOR THE CAME STOCK IN ANY YEAR F-BODY

SO L67 WOULDS BE OUT BECUSE THERE IS NOT ONE CAMARO THAT CAM STOCK WITH A L67

i think the time slip rules are there to keep poeple from getting a grand national and mod it and being in the 10's

but i do not see any reason if a 1989 camaro has a 2002 3.8 in it, 1. its a fbody 2. that motor came stock in 2002 v6 fbody

i say for mods as long as it is you block, you can stroke, bore what ever,

just no other blocks. i.e 4.3 race blocks and thing that have NEVER BEEN in a Camaro/FB

i dont know about aluminum block if there even are any for the 3.8. but then again there was no type of v6 that came stock like the so it should not be alound in.

just my .02

[AZ3.8Camaro]

L67 is the same block though, your going to make someone go way out of their way to put L67 internals into their L36 instead of just putting in the whole L67? Thats bull****. Its the same block! Its the SAME THING as Stefans setup in my book.
Let them post any timeslip, just NOTE the differences in the blocks, that way we can include everyone, but still have the fastest "stock block" the fastest "stock internals" etc.

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

L67 heads or different and its FWD only, unless you convert it

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

BTW puting L67 internals in your block would be easier then making the L67 block work with a RWD car IMO, correct me if im wrong?

[Timbo1969]

Originally posted by viper04af:
L67 heads or different and its FWD only, unless you convert it

The engine blocks for the L67 and the L36 are identical. The difference's in the engines are the piston assembly, rods, heads, and intakes due to the M90 being on there. Same cam, same crank, same lifters, same rockers, and same block.

[Wicked 3800 V6]

Also, if someone can fit the L67 (M90) blower on a car, I say let them do it, and let it be submitted. It's been written off as impossible in the FI forum for years, but if someone manages it, let them submit as a Power Adder 3.8.

[AZ3.8Camaro]

Originally posted by Wicked 3800 V6:
Also, if someone can fit the L67 (M90) blower on a car, I say let them do it, and let it be submitted. It's been written off as impossible in the FI forum for years, but if someone manages it, let them submit as a Power Adder 3.8.

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[njspder]

what would eb so horrible about adding more catagories to teh timeslips page in the future?
if someone dumps in a grand national engine then it can be seperated by the code of the base engine just like the list is now.
the list is already set up perfectly to allow any V6 combo to be compared in proper scale with similar set ups. all that woudl have to be changed is the addition of a few new catagories. that woudl create an opportunity for people to see different combos at work and allow the owners of those combos to share their knowledge with others.
i have been reading this board practically since day one. it has always been a good source of information and has remained open minded to new ideas for the most part. i would hate to see that change knowing that it will cost the members the chance to learn and share a lot of valuble tech information.

later
tim