I was pondering this thought....

[Shirl]

I've been reading about how people are building up "spare motors" and even motors that did not come in our cars stock. How would that work on the timeslips page? Would they be able to post a slip of a 4th gen v6 fbody that has a different motor than the L36 or 3.4 it came with?? I can understand if it is a built motor that our cars came originally equipped with, but if it is not...then what?

[12secondv6]

To me, this is a site for 4th generation F bodies.

The ONLY engines available are the 3.4L and the 3.8 L 3800 series 2.

That is it, nothing else.

This is why I have been VERY reluctant to switch to a 3800 series 1 engine and change power adders.

[Jerriko]

Originally posted by 12secondv6:
To me, this is a site for 4th generation F bodies.

The ONLY engines available are the 3.4L and the 3.8 L 3800 series 2.

That is it, nothing else.

This is why I have been VERY reluctant to switch to a 3800 series 1 engine and change power adders.

Of course, you meant to include the 3rd Gens too, right?

[MustangEater8251]

hybrid section?

you have modified, 3.8s, 3.4s, 3.1s, 2.8s in there respective cars?

then anything out fo the ordinary?

then hybrids...
3.8 in a 3rd gen, 3.8 in a s-10, 4.2L 60*v6 iroc series race motors running 9s(I know... dribble)GN motor in any f-body etc...

[Shane]

If ur refering to the L67 swap it is our same block just with different pistons and rods.....same cam and crank and bore. Its just like putting aftermarket pistons and rods in our L36 blocks.

[Tyler]

Originally posted by 12secondv6:
To me, this is a site for 4th generation F bodies.

The ONLY engines available are the 3.4L and the 3.8 L 3800 series 2.

That is it, nothing else.

This is why I have been VERY reluctant to switch to a 3800 series 1 engine and change power adders.

lol.. but i thought nitrous ownz jooo.


guess the truth comes out you perfer boost more ay? [img]graemlins/banana.gif[/img]

[imported_admin]

L36, L32, L67, and third gen 2.8 engines are acceptable. No hybrids. The idea behind the Timeslips Page is to inspire owners of "normal" cars. Who cares what a car runs when you have some weird engine in there? If you wanted to see that you'd read the performance magazines. Our Timeslips Page is intended as a grassroots down-home listing of regular guys/gals who are doing the best they can with their cars. No race-shop-sponsored track-only cars, no hybrids, no third gen turbo 3.8's.

[MustangEater8251]

Originally posted by Stefan:
L36, L32, L67, and third gen 2.8 engines are acceptable. No hybrids. The idea behind the Timeslips Page is to inspire owners of "normal" cars. Who cares what a car runs when you have some weird engine in there? If you wanted to see that you'd read the performance magazines. Our Timeslips Page is intended as a grassroots down-home listing of regular guys/gals who are doing the best they can with their cars. No race-shop-sponsored track-only cars, no hybrids, no third gen turbo 3.8's.

you missed 3rd gen 3.1Ls [img]smile.gif[/img]

[njspder]

Originally posted by Stefan:
The idea behind the Timeslips Page is to inspire owners of "normal" cars.

what is your definaition of "normal"?
since the timeslips page is seperated by displacement adn power adder/NA it seems logical to allow people who build up other V6 power plants. maybe i am missing something, but i don't really see how it is anydifferent that a performance oriented rebuild of the motor that came stock in the car. the swap people are talking about are not in any way radical or far fetched, and almost all the cars that are doing such things are plannign to remain as street vehicles on some level.
that all sounds jsut as normal as strapping on nitrous/supercharger/turbocharger to me.

later
tim

[Arctc Wolf]

hybrids are motors that aren't for the L32, L67, L36, 3.1, and 2.8 motors that come in our cars. If someone were to bore/stroke a motor, that would be acceptable, but it would have 2 be noted.

[Shirl]

Not only that, but sorry the L67 was NOT a stock motor for our 4th Gen FBodies. To me, this is not much different than throwing a Series I motor in there. I dunno, maybe I'm not seeing it...but isn't the point of the timeslips page to run the best we can run with the motor our cars came equipped with??? There are several differences between the L36 and the L67:

This is a quote from a certified tech that I know:
"there are several obvious differences, like intake manifold configuration, piston offset, a couple of minor cyl head differences, but I
would have to look them all up."

IMO, the L67 belongs in the GTP forum. Imagine saying "yeah, I ran 10's in my V6 fbody that has a GTP motor in it". This just doesn't make sense to me. Am I wrong?

[Shirl]

Also, the timeslips page specifically states the following:

"This list is for all third and fourth generation Firebirds and Camaros with the 2.8, 3.1, 3.4 (L32), and 3.8 (L36) V6 engines. Got a timeslip that you want listed here? Use the Timeslip Submission Page and follow the simple directions."

[njspder]

Originally posted by Shirl:
isn't the point of the timeslips page to run the best we can run with the motor our cars came equipped with???

this is teh part i don't understand. you are willing to accept port injected nitrous, completely built motors, gobs and gobs of boost, but a motor swap is too radical to count? sorry, that escapes my logic.
if it was one huge list that measured everyoen the exact same way i would see it differently. for now it is seperated by displacement and power adder, as long as the list is sorted into fair catagories it can be an anything goes mentality. if you start to resrict what timeslips do or don't count the page will degrade into a "me too" list where everyone has one of the handful of popular combos or won't reveal their mods for fear of being excluded.
seperating out the series1 motors as they become more prevalent would be a good step to keep the sections of the list on equal terms. if you exclude people the board will just become elitist and useless to teh greater number of owners.

later
tim

[Shane]

ok so say we just use our L36 block and "upgrade" to the L67 Pistons and Rods? Wouldnt that be the same concept of "upgrading" your induction system?

[AZ3.8Camaro]

I understand including the L67, because it is essentially the same thing. When someone is using an L67, just consider that they bought forged internals. Perfectly acceptable. Like Shane said, he could just use the L36 block, because they are the same, so it shouldn't matter.

I think forged internals should be noted though, for reference.

Honestly, I think some of us need to ask why we don't want the L67s listed..