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  • #46
    Originally posted by 1DangerousV6:
    im not actually sure how much the 02s come in to play...you're actually the first person to have brought that up...

    switching to a wet shot would be cool...i know its better...but what specifically are the benefits?...and do you know about how much it would cost to convert?
    Instead of running off the cars fuel system, you run on a sort of "seperate " fuel system. The wet kit, will spray, fuel in with the nitrous, so your injectors do not need to increase flow, the nozzle will be after the MAF as well.

    Downfalls, intake was designed to hold air, fuel coudl puddle in their and cause a nitrous backfire, likely blwoing out your MAF, some vacuum lines, and your intake.

    Cost, you will need a fuel solenoid for a nitorus kit, maybe a 12 in line to tap into the shrader valve on the fuel rail, fuel jets to match the nitrous jets, and a different nozzle(one that mixes fuel and nitrous.) I'd also reccomend a FPSS along with it, just incase for some reason your pump isn't putting out enough fuel pressure, it will cut the nitrous off. But you don't seemed to care about popping the motor, and I have no idea what the fuel requirements are on a blown and juiced car like yours.

    Night pricing it out thoroughly in any way... $150-250 all new parts.

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    • #47
      o2s don't do **** at WOT.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by ReodDai:
        </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MustangEater8251:
        would the 02s comepensate for some fuel? Maybe nto enough to be safe but some...

        why not switch to a wet shot?
        If the o2 sensors compensate for something that has already been through the engine, the damage in already done ;) The initial uber lean could grenade the engine. That and o2 sensors if I remember correctly have very little to do with the computers tuning since they tend to vary even during normal driving by a nice little margin.

        p.s: Yes I said "uber lean" dammit.
        </font>[/QUOTE]PCM does not look at the O2's that much in WOT times. and you O2 only like 14.7:1 A/F raio and pcm tries to keep that, as we know 14.7:1 is ALREADY WAY TO LEAN FOR BOOST AND nazz let alone both :eek:

        you should be about 11:1 or 11.5:1 a/f ratio lol not above 12:1
        ******my theory*******
        honesly i think your injectors are going 100% and locking up, i also think you shoud move the in front of the MAF sensor Y?

        1. IAT temp is not seeing the nazz drop the air temp or the intake charge

        2. MAF is not seeing the denser/more O2 air in the intake and is no putting in the fuel you need

        This is causeing two things to happen
        1 do to the hot intake the pcm is retarding the ING timing (not max power) and possibly not combusting all the fuel

        2. the lack of fuel from the MAF not seeing the seeing everything thing it should be

        so
        less fuel + less timing = slower car

        what i would do
        get HP tuners or aout tap and log
        look at you KR* and IAT and MAF readings and injector pusl wide and % used.
        www.turbov6camaro.com
        1997 3800 Series II Camaro
        4600 Stall for my ride to the mall :chug:
        7.18 @ 99.77 1/8 -1.8x sixty (current quickest v6 fbod)
        11.23 @ unk 5 1/4 - 7.19 1/8 - 1.83 sixty

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        • #49
          Originally posted by viper04af:
          GOD GOD IM' GOING TO HAVE TO GO on ESPN and record my times and have like every freaking member on this board present when i run my car.... this is crazy

          why can you not belive a 13.6 with 4 PSI and a 85 Shot. when shirl runs 6pSI and 100 shot and is in the 11's

          so heres what im going to do, hopefully a few FL members will be there and I'll run da car post the times, if you a jelous fu(ks dont like it, then come see for your self. (bing your car too) cuase i will NOT bring my self down to your level of Sh!t to prove myself after all ths sh(t i had to do to get the car weres its at now.
          I'd trust a time out of you because you're an established decent member of this site with a good attitude. 1dangerousV6 is a dumbass with a bad attitude and has lied about times in the past. All of his excuses and know it all attitude and talking instead of learning is whats causing this whole sh*t storm. He doesn't even show a picture of the supercharger installed on his website for sh*ts sake.

          It's not that I am doubting a 13.60... that might be true or like Eric said he had a friend with an LS1 running for him all night and gave him the slips.

          13.60 is believable for a 4 psi and 85 shot time. It sucks to go from a 14.7 "NA" to a 13.60 with all that though.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by MustangEater8251:
            </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 1DangerousV6:
            im not actually sure how much the 02s come in to play...you're actually the first person to have brought that up...

            switching to a wet shot would be cool...i know its better...but what specifically are the benefits?...and do you know about how much it would cost to convert?
            Instead of running off the cars fuel system, you run on a sort of "seperate " fuel system. The wet kit, will spray, fuel in with the nitrous, so your injectors do not need to increase flow, the nozzle will be after the MAF as well.

            Downfalls, intake was designed to hold air, fuel coudl puddle in their and cause a nitrous backfire, likely blwoing out your MAF, some vacuum lines, and your intake.

            Cost, you will need a fuel solenoid for a nitorus kit, maybe a 12 in line to tap into the shrader valve on the fuel rail, fuel jets to match the nitrous jets, and a different nozzle(one that mixes fuel and nitrous.) I'd also reccomend a FPSS along with it, just incase for some reason your pump isn't putting out enough fuel pressure, it will cut the nitrous off. But you don't seemed to care about popping the motor, and I have no idea what the fuel requirements are on a blown and juiced car like yours.

            Night pricing it out thoroughly in any way... $150-250 all new parts.
            </font>[/QUOTE]acually MSD mutichannle boost retard $396

            you can hook up and extra fule injector and it will start injecting fuel at high boost levels and/or when nazz is used. you can add i think 2 extar fuel injectors with it.

            Multi-Channel BTM w/Fuel Adder
            PN 6563*

            Fuel Adder: When you’re increasing boost pressures you’re also upping the need for more fuel to properly mix with the additional air being forced into the engine. When pressures are really climbing, the factory fuel delivery map may not be able to keep up with the demand. MSD incorporated a Fuel Adder control into the Multi-Channel BTM, PN 6563, so you can compensate for the additional air. This system will drive up to four additional fuel injectors, either saturated or peak/hold design to increase the fuel by up to 50%!
            http://www.msdignition.com/n2000b.htm
            www.turbov6camaro.com
            1997 3800 Series II Camaro
            4600 Stall for my ride to the mall :chug:
            7.18 @ 99.77 1/8 -1.8x sixty (current quickest v6 fbod)
            11.23 @ unk 5 1/4 - 7.19 1/8 - 1.83 sixty

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            • #51
              Originally posted by hawgs:
              </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by viper04af:
              GOD GOD IM' GOING TO HAVE TO GO on ESPN and record my times and have like every freaking member on this board present when i run my car.... this is crazy

              why can you not belive a 13.6 with 4 PSI and a 85 Shot. when shirl runs 6pSI and 100 shot and is in the 11's

              so heres what im going to do, hopefully a few FL members will be there and I'll run da car post the times, if you a jelous fu(ks dont like it, then come see for your self. (bing your car too) cuase i will NOT bring my self down to your level of Sh!t to prove myself after all ths sh(t i had to do to get the car weres its at now.
              I'd trust a time out of you because you're an established decent member of this site with a good attitude. 1dangerousV6 is a dumbass with a bad attitude and has lied about times in the past. All of his excuses and know it all attitude and talking instead of learning is whats causing this whole sh*t storm. He doesn't even show a picture of the supercharger installed on his website for sh*ts sake.

              It's not that I am doubting a 13.60... that might be true or like Eric said he had a friend with an LS1 running for him all night and gave him the slips.

              13.60 is believable for a 4 psi and 85 shot time. It sucks to go from a 14.7 "NA" to a 13.60 with all that though.
              </font>[/QUOTE]coming from you hawgs that means alot..... thanks even if i can't spell. dont need to spell to drive, or read for that matter...... lol

              P.S i can read..lol
              www.turbov6camaro.com
              1997 3800 Series II Camaro
              4600 Stall for my ride to the mall :chug:
              7.18 @ 99.77 1/8 -1.8x sixty (current quickest v6 fbod)
              11.23 @ unk 5 1/4 - 7.19 1/8 - 1.83 sixty

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              • #52
                well im going to be down at englishtown on saturday if i can find out when James is going to be there so he can watch me himself...it'll be nice cuz i hear good things about that track...and it'll be cool to see him run...not to mention that then maybe hawgs would shut the **** up and stop wasting my threads....and just maybe i'll run a 13.5 then and give him that appetizer ;)
                <b>12 SECOND DUAL STAGE DRY NITROUS POWERED 98 A4 V6 CAMARO<br /><a href=\"http://www.mysickcamaro.50megs.com\" target=\"_blank\">www.MySickCamaro.50megs.com</a><br />Best ET: 12.82@103<br />Best MPH: 104.7<br />Best 60\': 1.75 - Stock TC</b><br /> </font><blockquote><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif\">quote:</font><hr /><font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif\">Originally posted by Shodown:<br /><strong>1DV6 runs 12\'s...enough said. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif\">

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by 1DangerousV6:
                  well im going to be down at englishtown on saturday if i can find out when James is going to be there so he can watch me himself...it'll be nice cuz i hear good things about that track...and it'll be cool to see him run...not to mention that then maybe hawgs would shut the **** up and stop wasting my threads....and just maybe i'll run a 13.5 then and give him that appetizer ;)
                  just run your time no need to break anothers spine
                  www.turbov6camaro.com
                  1997 3800 Series II Camaro
                  4600 Stall for my ride to the mall :chug:
                  7.18 @ 99.77 1/8 -1.8x sixty (current quickest v6 fbod)
                  11.23 @ unk 5 1/4 - 7.19 1/8 - 1.83 sixty

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                  • #54
                    PS: thats kinda funny anyway...hawgs doesnt believe my time basically because he doesnt like me?? lol ...i mean what a loser...theres a couple guys here whos attitudes i dont care for that run faster times than me and i believe them...what a dumbass...oh well...hopefully i'll meet up with those guys at englishtown and not have to have his dumbass ramblings in my threads haha...seriously...the dude needs less free times on his hands
                    <b>12 SECOND DUAL STAGE DRY NITROUS POWERED 98 A4 V6 CAMARO<br /><a href=\"http://www.mysickcamaro.50megs.com\" target=\"_blank\">www.MySickCamaro.50megs.com</a><br />Best ET: 12.82@103<br />Best MPH: 104.7<br />Best 60\': 1.75 - Stock TC</b><br /> </font><blockquote><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif\">quote:</font><hr /><font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif\">Originally posted by Shodown:<br /><strong>1DV6 runs 12\'s...enough said. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif\">

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by viper04af:
                      </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 1DangerousV6:
                      well im going to be down at englishtown on saturday if i can find out when James is going to be there so he can watch me himself...it'll be nice cuz i hear good things about that track...and it'll be cool to see him run...not to mention that then maybe hawgs would shut the **** up and stop wasting my threads....and just maybe i'll run a 13.5 then and give him that appetizer ;)
                      just run your time no need to break anothers spine </font>[/QUOTE]lol..i hear ya...but it wouldnt take anything more than myself to do more than break this little kids spine haha...oh well...i'll just run what i run ;)
                      <b>12 SECOND DUAL STAGE DRY NITROUS POWERED 98 A4 V6 CAMARO<br /><a href=\"http://www.mysickcamaro.50megs.com\" target=\"_blank\">www.MySickCamaro.50megs.com</a><br />Best ET: 12.82@103<br />Best MPH: 104.7<br />Best 60\': 1.75 - Stock TC</b><br /> </font><blockquote><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif\">quote:</font><hr /><font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif\">Originally posted by Shodown:<br /><strong>1DV6 runs 12\'s...enough said. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif\">

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                      • #56
                        If you are running 14s NA then you need to stop thinking something is wrong with your engine and start working on your fuel and spark issues you have with boost and nitrous. Stop racing it till u get it fixed. [img]graemlins/stickpoke.gif[/img]

                        After that put some better gears in with a LSD and get your 60' down. Then you should be able to hit 12s.

                        Good Luck
                        92 S10 3800 A4(96)<br />1/4: 14.374 @ 92.25 w/ 1.976 60\'<br />Turbo and 12\'s Coming Soon!

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                        • #57
                          yea you def. need 3.42s and LSD on that car. Also maybe a high stall converter as well to make some nice launches
                          http://www.bowtiev6.com/

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                          • #58
                            Correct me if I am wrong but he is getting all his fuel through the stock injectors. Am I the only one that thinks our stock injectors can not put out enough fuel for 4 psi and NO? I belive his times but the reason they should be better is he is not getting enough fuel. Thus he is running lean and lucky to still have a motor. Try bigger injectors.
                            2001 Firebird 3.8L V6 M5,<br />It once had....<br />NX Nitrous Wet Kit, ZZP X-P Hot Cam, <br />3.42 LSD, Pacesetter Headers, <br />36# Injectors, HP Tuners<br />322 RWHP, 379 RWTQ<br />13.596 @ 102.56 w/100 shot

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by viper04af:
                              </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by hawgs:
                              </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by viper04af:
                              GOD GOD IM' GOING TO HAVE TO GO on ESPN and record my times and have like every freaking member on this board present when i run my car.... this is crazy

                              why can you not belive a 13.6 with 4 PSI and a 85 Shot. when shirl runs 6pSI and 100 shot and is in the 11's

                              so heres what im going to do, hopefully a few FL members will be there and I'll run da car post the times, if you a jelous fu(ks dont like it, then come see for your self. (bing your car too) cuase i will NOT bring my self down to your level of Sh!t to prove myself after all ths sh(t i had to do to get the car weres its at now.
                              I'd trust a time out of you because you're an established decent member of this site with a good attitude. 1dangerousV6 is a dumbass with a bad attitude and has lied about times in the past. All of his excuses and know it all attitude and talking instead of learning is whats causing this whole sh*t storm. He doesn't even show a picture of the supercharger installed on his website for sh*ts sake.

                              It's not that I am doubting a 13.60... that might be true or like Eric said he had a friend with an LS1 running for him all night and gave him the slips.

                              13.60 is believable for a 4 psi and 85 shot time. It sucks to go from a 14.7 "NA" to a 13.60 with all that though.
                              </font>[/QUOTE]coming from you hawgs that means alot..... thanks even if i can't spell. dont need to spell to drive, or read for that matter...... lol

                              P.S i can read..lol
                              </font>[/QUOTE]Just because I crack on your spelling sometimes doesn't mean I hate you. Your spelling sucks ( ;) ) but I think you're a pretty stand up guy.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by hawgs:
                                </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by viper04af:
                                </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by hawgs:
                                </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by viper04af:
                                GOD GOD IM' GOING TO HAVE TO GO on ESPN and record my times and have like every freaking member on this board present when i run my car.... this is crazy

                                why can you not belive a 13.6 with 4 PSI and a 85 Shot. when shirl runs 6pSI and 100 shot and is in the 11's

                                so heres what im going to do, hopefully a few FL members will be there and I'll run da car post the times, if you a jelous fu(ks dont like it, then come see for your self. (bing your car too) cuase i will NOT bring my self down to your level of Sh!t to prove myself after all ths sh(t i had to do to get the car weres its at now.
                                I'd trust a time out of you because you're an established decent member of this site with a good attitude. 1dangerousV6 is a dumbass with a bad attitude and has lied about times in the past. All of his excuses and know it all attitude and talking instead of learning is whats causing this whole sh*t storm. He doesn't even show a picture of the supercharger installed on his website for sh*ts sake.

                                It's not that I am doubting a 13.60... that might be true or like Eric said he had a friend with an LS1 running for him all night and gave him the slips.

                                13.60 is believable for a 4 psi and 85 shot time. It sucks to go from a 14.7 "NA" to a 13.60 with all that though.
                                </font>[/QUOTE]coming from you hawgs that means alot..... thanks even if i can't spell. dont need to spell to drive, or read for that matter...... lol

                                P.S i can read..lol
                                </font>[/QUOTE]Just because I crack on your spelling sometimes doesn't mean I hate you. Your spelling sucks ( ;) ) but I think you're a pretty stand up guy.
                                </font>[/QUOTE][img]graemlins/omg.gif[/img] :feelsforhead:, am i see this? [img]tongue.gif[/img]
                                2000 3.8 A4 Pewter Camaro

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