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**12secondv6** · 10-10-2004, 03:38 PM

I feel the need to defend you on this though!

I have driven this car at AIS while it had boost.

I made a pass in your car yestwerday.

For a supercharged car you must maintain boost.... air forced into the engine.

If the piping somewhere in this intricit design develops a leak, NO BOOST!

NO BOOST = NO POWER!

Your piping to the TB popped off
Your piping to the intercooler popped off
Your piping to your BOV was all twisted and folded closed in 2 places

When I made a pass in your car the piping to the TB and intercooler popped off. I struggled to a 16.5 in it......with no boost BUT still turning that blower which is robbing HP. The typical supercharger method of taking HP to make HP is fine... as long as you are making HP.

If you do not have any incredible welders by you then you NEED to come to me. I have a guy here who seems to work magic with a torch.

He could make incredible mandrel bent 3 inch tubing all around for your piping.

Then stiff rubber fitting all around.

Also, those "worm gear" clamps..... I'm still looking for them for you.

We will keep in touch.

I know the car, under FULL BOOST, is a low 13 second car.

**fbirdgt01** · 10-10-2004, 09:24 PM

Jen... Paul here.
Look, no boost on a car set up for boost sucks bad.

However...
You need to keep the intake hoses from collapsing. You HAVE to eliminate cheap crappy clamps. Welded is the way to go, but can be expensive. (Boost is expensive) Here's a couple links that may help with clamps and hoses.

http://www.fwdperformance.com/store/...0Turbo%20Parts
T-clamp, available 2", 2.5", 2.75" minimum OD of hose, 4 bucks each. Cindy will be glad to point you in the right direction if you need bigger. Also should have ideas on where to find other hose stuff, though site is turbo Dodge specific.

http://www.silflex.com/
Silicone flex hoses. Awesome but pricey. Call for distributor contacts.

Hope this helps.

**RedFrk13** · 10-10-2004, 09:49 PM

If I were in your situation with hoses poping off. I would have a small bead welded around the ends of all the pipes so the clamp has something to stop it instead of relying on how tight you made it. It wouldnt even have to go all the way around the pipe either, just like an inch or two on each side. The factory turbos systems I have seen use this method, except they are stamped like that and not welded.

Good luck, I know it will be an awesome setup once the few bugs are worked out!

**Nachius** · 10-11-2004, 08:30 AM

Even with bead welded that doesn't keep rubber hoses from collapsing on themselves under vaccum/boost.

Hard piping will make the car faster even if the rubber piping stayed attached.

**Pathogen** · 10-11-2004, 10:32 AM

Three places where the ducting popped:

Intercooler inlet (intercooler side)
Intercooler outlet (intercooler side)
Throttle body connection

The intercooler ends both have ridges, but the hoses still slipped off. There is no way to weld the ducting to the intercooler, and I'm not sure if I really want to have my TB welded up either!

I firmly believe that all mentioned locations need to be strengthened somehow, and that this is possible - heck, it ran at AIS!

Oh, and one thing that everyone missed is that the BOV line was kinked in two places -- if this problem wasn't there, the car would have held together and we'd probably have had that 13-ish second run.

EDIT: Talked to Dad about the problem last night. He referenced a recent training program where the worm-gear clamps (currently being used) were considered actually "destructive" and "unreliable" as they cut into the hoses and often slip. He is currently getting me specs on the higher grade clamp ... and while resting my brain here at work, I came across these. I've used similar clamps on exhaust and it always seems to work well.

[ October 11, 2004, 04:51 PM: Message edited by: Pathogen ]

**njspder** · 10-11-2004, 04:53 PM

well, you got some ideas from james and i about how to improve the intercooler situation. if you want any help jsut give eitehr of us a shout, we are both up for a road trip some weekend to give you a hand.
hti me off an email if you have any q's. i am sure we can worj this out and maybe next year at SLP day you can get into teh 16's on your first run ;) hehe

later
tim

**fbirdgt01** · 10-11-2004, 06:53 PM

Summit carries the exact same thing for less money paul says... listen to him, he's had FI cars for years jenn, he can help you.

**njspder** · 10-11-2004, 07:21 PM

the clamps are not really at issue as much as teh piping layout. every tube has soem sort of radical turn in it some where that is going to cause backpressure.
the backpressure is where the failure occurs, not the clamps. there are people running 20psi on worm clamps and odl style wire clamps. if your pressure side is properly sized adn the run does not include any major restirctions you could practically hold the pipe sin place with tape.

later
tim

**njspder** · 10-11-2004, 07:24 PM

jenn, after i thought about your set up soem more i think there is another solution taht we did not take into account at the track. you could jsut move your current IC int a front mount position.
you would end up with a little bit longer tubing run, but your air flow across the IC and ease of routing would be much better.
jsut somethin to think about

later
tim

**Pathogen** · 10-11-2004, 09:40 PM

Thank you for the suggestion, and I had thought about it before, but simply couldn't find the room. All joking aside, that is the real reason I removed the washer fluid reservoir.

Unfortunately, I had to put everything back together with the original setup simply because of a lack of money, time and funding.

I am currently waiting to hear back from someone on a used twin-highflow setup ... because I still like that idea the best if it can work.

**12secondv6** · 10-11-2004, 10:03 PM

Just let me know if assistance is needed

**njspder** · 10-11-2004, 10:11 PM

where is the "i'm with stupid" smilie when i need it. [img]smile.gif[/img]
let me know what you need jenn. we can make the front mount work with your current IC i think and i have plenty of 3inch tubing laying around to get the job done.

later
tim

**Pathogen** · 10-12-2004, 01:23 PM

Still waiting on the twin-highflows.

The weekend of Oct 23-24 is bad for me, otherwise I'm open for just about anything.

Pathogen Resurrection party?

**1DangerousV6** · 10-12-2004, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by 12secondv6:
I feel the need to defend you on this though!

I have driven this car at AIS while it had boost.

I made a pass in your car yestwerday.

For a supercharged car you must maintain boost.... air forced into the engine.

If the piping somewhere in this intricit design develops a leak, NO BOOST!

NO BOOST = NO POWER!

Your piping to the TB popped off
Your piping to the intercooler popped off
Your piping to your BOV was all twisted and folded closed in 2 places

When I made a pass in your car the piping to the TB and intercooler popped off. I struggled to a 16.5 in it......with no boost BUT still turning that blower which is robbing HP. The typical supercharger method of taking HP to make HP is fine... as long as you are making HP.

If you do not have any incredible welders by you then you NEED to come to me. I have a guy here who seems to work magic with a torch.

He could make incredible mandrel bent 3 inch tubing all around for your piping.

Then stiff rubber fitting all around.

Also, those "worm gear" clamps..... I'm still looking for them for you.

We will keep in touch.

I know the car, under FULL BOOST, is a low 13 second car.

hmmmm...good advice [img]smile.gif[/img] ...i gotta take a look at mine...sometimes the discharge tube comes loose right where it connects to the intake cuz of the angle

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