13.12@ 98!!

[TheGreenPunisher]

From observing and not adding my 2 cents (until now), i think ive concluded a few things. Dont take any of this personally, just some suggestions.

First off, dont run your car when you have stuff thats wrong with it, or something that could adversly affect your times. If its 100 degrees and humid as hell out...then dont worry about about racing. Its a waste.

Second off, i think its being expressed and concluded pretty heavily that you need to stop upping your shot. I have to agree. If you simply stay with a lower shot...125 or 150...with enough practice, it is very possible to hit 12's. You keep upping it every time you get a new best. Maybe...if you didnt waste your nitrous before you got to the track everytime...you would have 12's on a 125 or 150. Everytime you post a time theres always the....i ran out of nitrous excuse. Take it to the track on a full bottle...if it doesnt work, then it doesnt work.

This is just how i see this entire thread. Its not a personal attack, just an observation....so nobody lose sleep over it. [img]graemlins/slap.gif[/img]

[1DangerousV6]

see?..thats how people should add their .02 ..thank you Punisher

my last run on the 150 shot (hot as hell, possible bottle problem, etc) was VERY close to a 13.3 ..im pretty sure i can hit 12s on this shot with more runs on it and some kick @ss tuning (dont think it would happen on the 120)..i've already contacted TSP about a nitrous tune and Drone has been helping me out too..like i said..i want to give the 175 shot ONE more run to see about a 12..but i DO agree with you and the others..i think the 150 is my sweet spot..the 175 is just kind of a quick stab at it that i understand the risks of..thanks again

by the way..some drag radials and a 3.42 LSD and you could lay down some nice NA times [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Jerriko]

*bites tongue*
*breathes deeply*

What kind of fuel pump is on that car?

[1DangerousV6]

MSD external inline..i dont think its having any problem keping up..if i pull timing the KR goes away so i dont think its from running lean..but a fuel psi gauge is on the way

[Jerriko]

Thought I would ask, I didn't see it listed on your website. Anyways, just to restate the recurring theme, there is a difference between achieving a goal the right way and achieving a goal the wrong way.

[1DangerousV6]

as in anyone could throw a 200 shot in their car and hope it makes it through a couple runs..damnit Jerriko! ..*sigh* ..back to the 150 shot :( ..thats ok i guess..i still have some tuning to do..the new nozzle location is great but i unknowingly ran with a broken siphon tube..so maybe that will help..i'll get it there on this shot with cooler weather, a few lbs. removed, race fuel, etc

[merlinsrealm]

I am still not understanding why in all this you wont go back NA and work those times and bugs out of your car first......

15.67 is pretty much a stock time to be running. Throwing nitrous on the car aith a big shot and going 12's is nothing to brag about IMO........

With all the things done to your car that I have read on your site you should be going alot faster than you are......

Take a step back....Whats the rush. Its summertime. Find out with all the mods you have done what the car is doing NA.....

Then gradually work the nitrous into the mix with a small shot, like a 75 shot. Your car has alot of petential, dont rush it, You will be happier in the end when you do it the right way......

[1DangerousV6]

^yeah..but my car is also heavy as hell..and im running 18x9.5" chrome wheels on all 4 ..the only thing i have done for NA really is intake (which isnt that great), exhaust, and suspension goodies..im still waiting to hear from TSP..i may send them both NA and nitrous logs and have them make both an NA and nitrous tune for me

[shenanigans]

My opinion, I'd get some wheels...

If you have the money and can do it right...


Some light weight race wheel with skinnies in the front. And you will have 12s, with teh setup you ran last time.

Cheap way... salad shooters, with a good tire in the rear, and the narrowist tires you can find in the front, I bet you can find used shooters with 215s on them cheap.


But ideally I would set the car up to run decent n/a I doubt it will run as good as others are running with bigger injectors and such unless maybe you get it right with a tune.

[merlinsrealm]

Wheels are one of the best bang for the buck mods for the track.....I took off .2 and gained over 1 mph changing out my WS-6 wheels and tires for some draglites with skinnies........

[shenanigans]

Originally posted by merlinsrealm:
Wheels are one of the best bang for the buck mods for the track.....I took off .2 and gained over 1 mph changing out my WS-6 wheels and tires for some draglites with skinnies........

I agreed, I noticed in like 7-8 lbs. of weight per wheel.

difference between my factory split v-spokes with 235/5516 and firebird 5-stars with 245/50/16.

never checked the difference between my zr1s, and 5-stars, but they slowed me down 3 tiems so I never used them at the strip.

[1DangerousV6]

hmm..yeah some salad shooters on the rear and skinnies up front would be nice..but i dont have the money right now..im still waitin to hear how much that tune would be

[1DangerousV6]

i also just finished hooking up the second stage..the first stage is back at the 150 shot..and the second is at a 50 shot..i want to run just on the first stage and see how good i can do..id like to get it down to a 13.2 - 13.3 ..i can probably do that on race fuel and a little tuning..then i may try injecting the second stage JUST before the finish line to see if i can knock off a few tenths..i was looking over the logs and at the finish my injector pulses are at 15 - 16 ms at just over 4500 rpms..so i definitely still have some room there

[AZ3.8Camaro]

13.8 is slow as dog piss for 104 mph, with a 2.4 60' on street tires, thats not so bad. I don't race the v6 anymore, I don't even work on it. I get my kicks building turbocharged motorcycle engines now. I am done with the 6. 13.8 at 104 is better than you can do on a 100 shot with street tires.

I AM putting in my 2 cents, stop running more nitrous just to get a 12 second pass.

You can do a lot of damage to a piston in 1 lean pass, if you don't melt it completely. You can do things like melt it down enough to squeeze the rings and lock them up. Things like this don't show a lot of obvious signs, but without LOGGING ANYTHING on that run, you don't know if you have f'd your motor, or not.

I used to be totally cool with your cause, but you have made a lot of really bad decisions regarding your car, James will agree here. Slow down and work things out before you add more nitrous. Adding more is NEVER the right thing to do unless your lower shot is working correctly and giving you a decent gain. I am not here to run my mouth, this is sound advise.

[ June 15, 2005, 01:36 PM: Message edited by: AZ3.8Camaro ]

[1DangerousV6]

^ ok..gotcha..see?..that was a TON more helpful..i have made bad decisions..otherwise i would've been in the 12s last season..but i disagree with that now..i have been running the same setup..150 shot for a while now logging runs and trying to tune the best i can for it..i have also made some better modifications to my car (rear, suspension, tires, etc) that will allow me to gain without running more juice..i went from a best of 13.60 on boost AND juice last year to a 13.41 adding probably less power this year..but anyways..

how will i know when there is NOTHING left to do for the 150 shot tuning-wise?..how will i know when there is nothing more to be gained from it?

(RE: your ET..very true..get some drag radials/suspension and hook up and YOU should be in the 12s!)