what do our cars run stock?

[camaro_speedemon]

Originally posted by Ace:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by camaro_speedemon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ace:
What do you mean it doesnt work like that. When i spend 300 dollars on a mod i would hope it would cut a tenth or 2 off my time otherwise what use does the mod have. And yes the launch is very important thats why i figured the lsd would help me shave 3 tenths. I think my numbers are right on the money. If you scroll up and read what everyone does in the 1/4 compaired to their mods they come up with the same times i said. Im trying to break sh¡t down here not get criticized so if you see some numbers wrong correct them for me.

Work on your driving, you can easily shave off .5-1 second off your time. </font>[/QUOTE]There is nothing wrong with my driving. I think 16.5 is a very respectable time for a 100% stock car my first time on the track. It has been about 1 year sence i did that run and in that time i have developed a much better launch style but im still peg leg and could benifit from a LSD which in turn would shave tenths off my time. </font>[/QUOTE]Yea, and I hit a 15.2 my 3rd time (in my old camaro) to the track 100% stock, one wheel wonder and all.

Put it this way, you can do all those mods, so you can hit low 15's. Or you can practice driving, and hit low 15s without spending a dime. Your driving skills downright suck.

[camaro_speedemon]

But to adress your question, those mods WILL NOT get you low 14's. The only way to get low 14s NA is to go heads and cams or to go James ALA extreme weight reductions.

Flow Master catback -.2
catco cat 0
whisper lid -.1,
cold air intake -.1 (which one do you have man, whisper lid is a CAI)
tunned -.3
With those mods, you should run 14.8-15.0

gears -.2, lsd -.3
160 t stat -.0 (I would personally just do the fan switch mod, 170-180 is optimal temp)
Alum Driveshaft -.2
and a cutout -.2 (again, catback or cutout? You can't have both)

You can't just add mods together and say each mod will give me xx in the 1/4. The more mods you do, the less effect they are. The times are more/less what it will take off if you were stock only did that mod.

With the mods listed, you're probably good for mid 14s. like 14.4-14.8

You're also leaving a very important part out here, are you auto or manual? If you're auto, you will need to get a converter.

Just work on your driving, again, launching on the street is completely different then launching on the track.

Launch ~2500, and shift the car like you f*cken hate it. And don't let off the gas much when you shift, just enough to keep it from hitting the limiter.

Also guys, remember that Eric is one hell of a driver, deffinately a lot better then most. Combine his superhuman driving skills with the fact he removed his drive belt = his record time ;)

[Shirl]

You're also leaving a very important part out here, are you auto or manual? If you're auto, you will need to get a converter.

[img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img] Stock converter here. :cool:

[camaro_speedemon]

Originally posted by Shirl:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />You're also leaving a very important part out here, are you auto or manual? If you're auto, you will need to get a converter.

[img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img] Stock converter here. :cool: </font>[/QUOTE]Yea, but you're blown and juiced. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[stevethepirate]

16.5 is respectable for stock 3.8 first time at the track?

i ran in 32*, street tires, drove through water box, didnt spin tires to clean em off, 2 12" subs, spare, 100% full tank of gas.
18.1 first run.
15.3 second run.
15.28 third run (still the same night, same conditions)

[Ace]

Originally posted by Ace:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by camaro_speedemon:
But to adress your question, those mods WILL NOT get you low 14's. The only way to get low 14s NA is to go heads and cams or to go James ALA extreme weight reductions.

LOL yea tell that to shenanigans....

Originally posted by camaro_speedemon:

Flow Master catback -.2
catco cat 0
whisper lid -.1,
cold air intake -.1 (which one do you have man, whisper lid is a CAI)
A whisw
tunned -.3
With those mods, you should run 14.8-15.0

A whisper lid is Not a cold air intake it is a high flow air box.

Originally posted by camaro_speedemon:
gears -.2, lsd -.3
160 t stat -.0 (I would personally just do the fan switch mod, 170-180 is optimal temp)
Alum Driveshaft -.2
and a cutout -.2 (again, catback or cutout? You can't have both)

Yes you very much can have both. A catback is a high flow exaust and a cutout opens your headers before your exaust. Catback= low restriction high flow and a cutout= no restriction full flow.

As far as the numbers go i see you come up with the same deductions i do. But you dont seem to know what your talking about so thats no help.

Originally posted by camaro_speedemon:

You can't just add mods together and say each mod will give me xx in the 1/4. The more mods you do, the less effect they are. The times are more/less what it will take off if you were stock only did that mod.

Wrong once again. The opposite is true. If you add a catback to a stock car it will add say 5HP but if you have a high flow intake that same catback could add as much as 10HP. Mods actually compliment each other.

Originally posted by camaro_speedemon:

With the mods listed, you're probably good for mid 14s. like 14.4-14.8

Originally posted by camaro_speedemon:
But to adress your question, those mods WILL NOT get you low 14's. The only way to get low 14s NA is to go heads and cams or to go James ALA extreme weight reductions.

LOL make up your mind...
I'snt that the numbers i came up with?

Originally posted by camaro_speedemon:

You're also leaving a very important part out here, are you auto or manual? If you're auto, you will need to get a converter.

Just work on your driving, again, launching on the street is completely different then launching on the track.

Launch ~2500, and shift the car like you f*cken hate it. And don't let off the gas much when you shift, just enough to keep it from hitting the limiter.

Also guys, remember that Eric is one hell of a driver, deffinately a lot better then most. Combine his superhuman driving skills with the fact he removed his drive belt = his record time ;)

Once again like i said befor he has his belt removed or what ever. That Is Not Stock.

Im not sure if your agreeing with me or not. [/qb]</font>[/QUOTE]

[terminaldegree]

Ace, are you posting to feel good about yourself or do you actually want to learn something from people that are REALLY good at this? [BTW, that list of people does not include me...]

The three things that I have had the most problems with at the track are:
-launching too slowly/quickly [positively awful 60' times]
-getting traction off the line
-missing the 2-3 upshift

So I got better street tires, just installed a 5.0 shifter, and will be installing a Torsen T-2.

Best I ever ran on my COMPLETELY stock car [spare tire still in place], granny-shifting it, was 16.08 . Best trap speed was @ 90mph [not the same run]. I will be able to see if there's a difference with just a shifter next time out, and then with LSD soon afterward. This may be a smarter approach than just throwing your money around lump-sum at a depreciating asset.

But you can't discount practice from the equation, especially if your car is a manual. Depending on how boneheaded I am, I can add a full second to that time by driving badly. And I might be able to lose a couple of tenths if I could drive better. That's almost as much of a differential as your silly math equation in a vacuum...

[98Camaro3.8]

I would throw my opinion in here, but it seems Ace is not willing to listen to the truth. Oh well. Go ahead and do your mods and let's see you run a 13.8 or something.

Oh what the hell...

.2 from a thermostat? [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]
Your short time sucks, you need to practice driving.
With all those mods, you'll take off .6 (gears being the big one). That's my guess.

[ February 06, 2006, 06:57 PM: Message edited by: 98Camaro3.8 ]

[Ace]

Correct me if im wrong but doesnt a cooler motor mean more timming advance? Timming advance wont shave .2? Hmmm i guess timming advance is just overrated.

LOL you like the 4th person to tell me that my driving sucks... Do you guys really think you know how i drive? That track time was as i said the first run i ever did, through the watter trap exc...

So anyways this is getting out of hand. Ok bottom line now Yes or No with the mods I named on a F-body 3800 is it a low 14 car on average? Well unless shenanigans is driving then its a 13 sec car or something i guess...

[ February 06, 2006, 11:27 PM: Message edited by: Ace ]

[RicE-ter]

at first i wasnt guna chime in but here i go.

Originally posted by Ace:
Ok bottom line now Yes or No with the mods I named on a F-body 3800 is it a low 14 car on average? ...

id say no

Originally posted by camaro_speedemon:
With the mods listed, you're probably good for mid 14s. like 14.4-14.8

You're also leaving a very important part out here, are you auto or manual? If you're auto, you will need to get a converter.

Just work on your driving, again, launching on the street is completely different then launching on the track.

and about the ignition timing im guessing what ur talking bout, that depends-compression, octane, other mods- but generally yes it helps.
yes ur trying to get heat out, but not completely. a cool motor just means it wont overheat, u do want to warm up ur car and get it into operating temperatures thoh. also its the air u really want cold for no detonations from mods.

[98Camaro3.8]

Originally posted by Ace:
Correct me if im wrong but doesnt a cooler motor mean more timming advance? Timming advance wont shave .2? Hmmm i guess timming advance is just overrated.

A cooler engine could allow for a higher timing advance, but the temperature does not result in more timing (disregarding any timing pulled from extremely hot temps).

Originally posted by Ace:
LOL you like the 4th person to tell me that my driving sucks... Do you guys really think you know how i drive? That track time was as i said the first run i ever did, through the watter trap exc...

The proof is in the time. All those factors are things that a good driver would take into account and adjust for. It's not bad that you're not the best in the 60', you just need more practice. I still suck at the launch, and it's holding me back.

Originally posted by Ace:

Ok bottom line now Yes or No with the mods I named on a F-body 3800 is it a low 14 car on average?

Nope. I'd say 14.6-14.8 with a good launch. Lower if your 60' doesn't come way down.

But it also depends on what gears you get...4.10 is gonna be alot faster than 3.42.

[Ace]

Why thank you RicE-ter for replying without bitting my head off. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Ace]

Well im going to go with 3.73 I hears the teeth are too thin on the 4.10 in our rear end.

[Ace]

Im not trying to be a smart *** or any thing but would shenanigans do 13s being he can do 14.4 with none of thoes mods?

[Fbody3400]

I'm sorry, but what kind of question is that? He ran a 14.4 with what he calls $0 modded. No money in mods, that does not mean his car is stock. Sure its close to it, but not stock.

What i'm getting from this is "With a perfect driver, what would my car with these mods run?"

Is that the question you are trying to ask?