13 second N/A runs

[LETZRIDE]

Re: 13 second N/A runs

LETZRIDE, what is your DA at the track your going?

what is DA?

[Shodown]

Re: 13 second N/A runs

Density Altitude.

[ssms5411]

Re: 13 second N/A runs

Here in AZ at Firebird raceway it is around 1200 above sea level. That plays a big part in what you run. I looked it up for DA correction factors and if I would run a 15.00 here in AZ, at sea level I should run a 14.5 or so.

[LETZRIDE]

Re: 13 second N/A runs

I have no idea...cant find it on the website either ...http://www.torontomotorsportspark.com/dragway/home.htm

if anyone knows about that strip maybe they can chime in...how would you go about finding that info out anyways?

[ssms5411]

Re: 13 second N/A runs

I think it looks to be between 1600 and 1700 feet. I'm done trying to find it. Good luck to you.

[ssms5411]

Re: 13 second N/A runs

I'm going to guess with your mods and DA, 14.8 to 15.1.

[LETZRIDE]

Re: 13 second N/A runs

I think it looks to be between 1600 and 1700 feet. I'm done trying to find it. Good luck to you.

how did you come up with that and where did you find it?

[Bird_Of_Prey]

Re: 13 second N/A runs

You just need to find the exact altitude of the track. Email them, they should know. Density Altitude is figured via complex formula factoring barometric pressure and temperature.

[Smoke Panther]

Re: 13 second N/A runs

I understand...and thats exactly what Im going to do...my logic is like this though...I figure I have anywhere from 230bhp to 240 bhp full bolt on...240 prolly on the high side of the scale....most likely in around 235...sound about right?

No.

an LT1 has 275 and runs around 14.1 stock...an Lt1 is heavier then us to begin with...I plan on doing an additional 150-200lbs weight redux

Peak HP means NOTHING for a car's ET

so if I drop 150-200lbs...I technically am running as if I have 250-260hp correct?....(this is my theory)

Wrong again

haha I was talking crank power...no...more then 225...figure if I only got 10 from exhaust...8 from headers...thats 218....the other 12 can come from the pcm tune, intake, pulley, coil packs and wires all tied into one...atleast 230....d/s frees up hp making it more effieciently get to the wheels (its made the biggest difference on my car out of all my mods)...anyways we'll see....

Yea, that's ricer math...you just can't add advertised HP gains and lump that ontop of your stock HP rating.

[ssms5411]

Re: 13 second N/A runs

You just need to find the exact altitude of the track. Email them, they should know. Density Altitude is figured via complex formula factoring barometric pressure and temperature.

I pulled it from some Can. tracks listed on NHRA, one was 1600 and the other 1700, then just gave up from their. I figured I'm not running my car there so why try to find it.

[LETZRIDE]

Re: 13 second N/A runs

No.

Peak HP means NOTHING for a car's ET

Wrong again


Yea, that's ricer math...you just can't add advertised HP gains and lump that ontop of your stock HP rating.

I didnt...I tried to cut the advertised hp gains in half or atleast 3/4...if I took the advertised hp gains I think I would have like 250+hp...

as far as the weight savings go Im just going by what the weight savings page that is stickied on this site says....http://www.bfranker.badz28.com/fbody/weights.htm ....."A good rule of thumb for 4th Gen F-Bodies is 100 lbs = 10 hp = 1/10 a second off 1/4 mile time. Figure out a way to get rid of 200 lbs and you have bettered yourself in the 1/4 mile about what a 20hp mod would do for you!"...this is what I have devised my theory from

anyways I have emailed the track to find out the altitude 100%...I was looking for it on the net and couldnt find anything...ssms5411 I guess your a little bit better at searching then what I am cause atleast you found something...

[Smoke Panther]

Re: 13 second N/A runs

I didnt...I tried to cut the advertised hp gains in half or atleast 3/4...if I took the advertised hp gains I think I would have like 250+hp...

Even so, just adding HP values to one another is not going to give you an accurate number. Want to know how much HP you're making? put the car on a dyno. Want to know how fast your car is? Go to a track

this is what I have devised my theory from

1) you applied your "theory" incorrectly, because peak HP means NOTHING for a car's ET
2) Early in your thread, you talked about doing

no weight redux or very little weight redux

...on our cars, dropping

150-200lbs

...is NOT

very minimal weight redux (spare tire, jack, and seats)

[LETZRIDE]

Re: 13 second N/A runs

150-200 less then the last time I've ran...sub, amp, amp board, trunk carpet, spare tire, jack, 2 side plastic pieces in trunk, rear seats, front passenger seat, rear seat belts, floor mats...and I believe when I worked it out I need to find another 38lbs to drop in order to hit 200lbs...to me this is very little weight redux since about 50-75lbs is stereo equiptment making it really only about 100-125lbs off the car itself...

I dont know what you mean by peak hp or what that really means...I was giving an estimate of what I believe I have, thats why I gave 2 numbers...somewhere between 230-240 with 240 being on the high side of things...

I then took that number and used the information stated on the weight reduction webpage, mangled it all together...tried to compare it the best I could to an Lt1 camaro...and came up with my theory...now all I can do is go out and test it...Like it has always been said...every car responds to mods differently, however if no one else has run even close to 13's being full bolt on, that does not justify that I will/wont be able to run that...from everyones responses it looks like I may have really high hopes for my car and may very well be disappointed with my results, only time will tell.

I will post my results up regardless of whether or not they are a success...

[Bird_Of_Prey]

Re: 13 second N/A runs

The only way you will make it is if you sack up and buy a converter. Otherwise, it ain't happening. If God himself, came down and pushed the car, then it would go 13's. It's purely a function of common sense. No one has ever gone full weight, no converter, into the 13's.

[Smoke Panther]

Re: 13 second N/A runs

150-200 less then the last time I've ran...sub, amp, amp board, trunk carpet, spare tire, jack, 2 side plastic pieces in trunk, rear seats, front passenger seat, rear seat belts, floor mats...and I believe when I worked it out I need to find another 38lbs to drop in order to hit 200lbs...to me this is very little weight redux since about 50-75lbs is stereo equiptment making it really only about 100-125lbs off the car itself...

Ok, so you're bringing the car back down to, what...near stock weight? And what to stock weight cars, with stock internals, run?

I dont know what you mean by peak hp or what that really means

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=peak&x=0&y=0
^entry number 5

...I was giving an estimate of what I believe I have,

which is worthless

thats why I gave 2 numbers...somewhere between 230-240 with 240 being on the high side of things...

again, both of which don't mean anything as far as what you'll run. You need to get over peak HP numbers...either that, or tell 1000HP Supras to stop losing races to 500 HP Trans Ams

I then took that number and used the information stated on the weight reduction webpage, mangled it all together

well there's one, of many, of your problems

...tried to compare it the best I could to an Lt1 camaro

Again, another faulty comparison. The torque curve on an LT1 is worlds apart from a L36's

however if no one else has run even close to 13's being full bolt on, that does not justify that I will/wont be able to run that

uh yea it does. I know you think you're a pioneer or whatever, but here's a newsflash: people have been racing the L36 in F-bodies since you were 7 years old; what you're doing is not new or revolutionary. Trust in the fact that someone has run the exact same setup you have and took home a high 14-second timeslip

No one has ever gone full weight, no converter, into the 13's.

...Add "while staying NA and stock internals" to that equation, and you'd have a very accurate statement