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[IwannaCamarosoBad]

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They say that the V6 should be getting around 30 - 32 MPG's ^^^

[Mike88]

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They say that the V6 should be getting around 30 - 32 MPG's ^^^

300 hp and 32 mpg...and the V8 guys will still find ways to bash the 6ers

haha

[IwannaCamarosoBad]

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300 hp and 32 mpg...and the V8 guys will still find ways to bash the 6ers

haha

true but i mean you cant ask for much more from a V6 lol They have been talking on the camaro5 forum about some companies out there are already making aftermarket parts. One guy already has a shop that he says an aussie company will be making suspension for the new camaro and they've been doing stuff like that for GTO's and such for years.

[t-topV6]

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300 hp and 32 mpg...and the V8 guys will still find ways to bash the 6ers

haha

i say we drop one of those v6's in our fourth gens :D

[IwannaCamarosoBad]

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i say we drop one of those v6's in our fourth gens :D

Indeed a RWD 3.6L DI caddy engine FTW!!!!!!

[parkplace101]

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omg........absoulety delicious!!!!

[youngsc]

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i say we drop one of those v6's in our fourth gens :D

That would be about the only thing I would agree with you on.

[Shirl]

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A large majority of 5th generation Camaros bought throughout its production run will be V6s. To say that these ppl should just consider a used corvette is kind of ridiculous. First of all, as I said, most new Camaro buyers will be in the market for a V6, not a V8...think about the rising cost of fuel. Secondly, ppl will be buying these cars for the same reason that many ppl by new vehicles...bumper to bumper warranty, meaning no worries for at least 3 to 5 years. Thirdly, the ppl buying the V8s will be getting an exceptionally well-made car (built at the number one production plant in North America in quality, one that rivals rest of the world and every other manufacturer for the quality of vehicles that come off its line), that outperforms everything in its price range. Why are they getting this car at such an affordable rate? Because GM will be selling hundreds of thousands of V6s to offset the cost of the V8, providing a great V8 performer to the masses who cannot afford a bran new or even a used Corvette. Finally, the Camaro seats four, making this a quasi family car. You can throw the kids in the back...while they'd have to walk home if you owned a vette. So I just don't see any logic there.



For every V8 Camaro sold there will be probably 4 or 5 V6 Camaros, meaning the Camaro brand (depending on the fuel saving technology that goes into the V6 and the V8, i.e., direct injection and cylinder deactivation) might still avg. quite high in terms of mpg's. They're even talking about a 4 cylinder Camaro...some of you think that sounds ridiculous, but times are a changin'. Anyway, my point is that the Camaro brand may be able to find itself avging quite high...can you foresee the same thing for the vette? I'm not so sure.

If people are looking for economy, "most" aren't going to be buying a sports car with rear wheel drive... lol.. They will most likely buy a front wheel or all wheel drive econobox that seats four. Or better yet, a hybrid car. So economy isn't the issue here. As for mpg, a Vette gets close to 30 on the highway so that's not a factor either. The issue is that the Camaro will once again be competing with GM's flagship car (along with the Mustang). And we all know what happened during the last production (4th gen) run. Everything you stated: "seats four", "six-cylinder sells more", "outperforms cars in it's price range", etc. is nothing new for this model. Which is why I foresee it's demise again. Hopefully I'm wrong, but that's the logic. ;)

[Mike88]

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If people are looking for economy, "most" aren't going to be buying a sports car with rear wheel drive... lol.. They will most likely buy a front wheel or all wheel drive econobox that seats four. Or better yet, a hybrid car. So economy isn't the issue here. As for mpg, a Vette gets close to 30 on the highway so that's not a factor either. The issue is that the Camaro will once again be competing with GM's flagship car (along with the Mustang). And we all know what happened during the last production (4th gen) run. Everything you stated: "seats four", "six-cylinder sells more", "outperforms cars in it's price range", etc. is nothing new for this model. Which is why I foresee it's demise again. Hopefully I'm wrong, but that's the logic. ;)

of course economy is an issue...you can get 30 mpgs with a corvette but u've gotta drive that thing like your grandma would to accomplish that...where's the fun there? Secondly, I never said ppl were after the most economical car on the market...but just because they're buying a camaro it doesn't mean fuel economy doesn't pop into their heads...if that was the case everyone would own a v8.

As for competing with GM's flagship..well I just don't see this as taking more than one thousand or two sales away from the Corvette...even if it were true that it was going to compete, it would be like saying that GM should do away with Buick because it competes with Cadillac, or do away with Pontiac because it competes with Chevy. Ppl who want a pony car and have just enough to afford a Camaro, can't afford a new Corvette...maybe they can afford a used one, but that doesn't help GM's bottom line and in no way justifies why GM shouldn't keep a pony car in the lineup.

Last thing...in the past GM had the Camaro, the Firebird, and the TransAm and in 02 killed them all simultaneously. Now they'll only have one true pony car in their lineup with no known plans for any others. Its a lot easier to engineer, manufacture, and concentrate advertising and sales on one vehicle than it is to to this spread this three ways. This is the same sort of argument with the fullsize pickup line...Ford loves to tote the F150 as the best selling pickup in North America, but if GM collapsed its Chevy and GMC pickups under one brand they'd easily take that title. I think you'll see this with the new Camaro too now that it'll be GM's only pony car. Also the fact that it'll be more technologically advanced, powerful, and perhaps lighter than its competitors from the other manufacturers (at least for now) will help its cause.

[Shirl]

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of course economy is an issue...you can get 30 mpgs with a corvette but u've gotta drive that thing like your grandma would to accomplish that...where's the fun there?

Not true.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...pg+gas+mileage

Secondly, I never said ppl were after the most economical car on the market...but just because they're buying a camaro it doesn't mean fuel economy doesn't pop into their heads...if that was the case everyone would own a v8.

What did you mean by this then?

these ppl should just consider a used corvette is kind of ridiculous. First of all, as I said, most new Camaro buyers will be in the market for a V6, not a V8...think about the rising cost of fuel.

As for competing with GM's flagship..well I just don't see this as taking more than one thousand or two sales away from the Corvette...even if it were true that it was going to compete, it would be like saying that GM should do away with Buick because it competes with Cadillac, or do away with Pontiac because it competes with Chevy. Ppl who want a pony car and have just enough to afford a Camaro, can't afford a new Corvette...maybe they can afford a used one, but that doesn't help GM's bottom line and in no way justifies why GM shouldn't keep a pony car in the lineup.

If people can afford to buy a $35-40,000 Camaro, they will be able to afford a slightly used C6 Corvette. Hell, I almost had a brand new 08' with 436hp in the low 40,000 range with a trade-in. I'd take a slightly used Vette over the new Camaro any day of the week. It will hold it's value better and overall be a better built vehicle. The Camaro will always be second to the Corvette and GM will always make it inferior in some way. The Vette is a world-class car that's been around for 55 years. Not to mention looks. Ever look at a 5th gen and a C6 Corvette next to each other? I did at the NY Auto Show. There's no comparison. As much as I tried to believe that this car is beautiful, I was lying to myself. It's butt-ugly compared to the Vette. And this is coming from someone who's owned 6 Camaros. Maybe the aftermarket companies will come out with some nice appearance mods for it.

Last thing...in the past GM had the Camaro, the Firebird, and the TransAm and in 02 killed them all simultaneously. Now they'll only have one true pony car in their lineup with no known plans for any others. Its a lot easier to engineer, manufacture, and concentrate advertising and sales on one vehicle than it is to to this spread this three ways. This is the same sort of argument with the fullsize pickup line...Ford loves to tote the F150 as the best selling pickup in North America, but if GM collapsed its Chevy and GMC pickups under one brand they'd easily take that title. I think you'll see this with the new Camaro too now that it'll be GM's only pony car. Also the fact that it'll be more technologically advanced, powerful, and perhaps lighter than its competitors from the other manufacturers (at least for now) will help its cause.

Well, hopefully this theory will work out. It worked out for the Mustang. It's going to be interesting.

[Mike88]

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Secondly, I never said ppl were after the most economical car on the market...but just because they're buying a camaro it doesn't mean fuel economy doesn't pop into their heads...if that was the case everyone would own a v8.

What did you mean by this then?

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these ppl should just consider a used corvette is kind of ridiculous. First of all, as I said, most new Camaro buyers will be in the market for a V6, not a V8...think about the rising cost of fuel.

I'm not sure what the confusion is all about...ppl buying a new camaro will still be concerned with fuel economy...just because they want a camaro doesn't mean they're willing to throw their wallets at the pumps. If ppl weren't concerned with gas prices, then every camaro sold would be a V8...but this isn't the case. Its not the case either that ppl are entirely concerned with gas prices, and gas prices alone, because not every car sold is a prius or civic hybrid. In other words, there's a balance there...a balance that a V6 Camaro sits in the middle of.

If people can afford to buy a $35-40,000 Camaro, they will be able to afford a slightly used C6 Corvette. Hell, I almost had a brand new 08' with 436hp in the low 40,000 range with a trade-in. I'd take a slightly used Vette over the new Camaro any day of the week. It will hold it's value better and overall be a better built vehicle. The Camaro will always be second to the Corvette and GM will always make it inferior in some way. The Vette is a world-class car that's been around for 55 years. Not to mention looks. Ever look at a 5th gen and a C6 Corvette next to each other? I did at the NY Auto Show. There's no comparison. As much as I tried to believe that this car is beautiful, I was lying to myself. It's butt-ugly compared to the Vette. And this is coming from someone who's owned 6 Camaros. Maybe the aftermarket companies will come out with some nice appearance mods for it.

You're comparing apples to oranges...the Camaro is a pony car...the Corvette is Lamborghini and Ferrari fighter (for a fraction of the cost). No one would ever dare mention the Camaro in the same breath as Lamgorghini, so why is it okay to do so with a Corvette? Anyway...if I can't convince you on that you have to admit that 2 vs. 4 seats, bumper to bumper warranty, new car smell, and cheaper insurance rates mean that ppl will consider the camaro long before they'd ever buy a used vette as appealing as one might sound.

As for how much you like the cars looks...all I can say is that everyone has their own tastes...some ppl like, some don't. As far as 4-seater pony cars go, I think the Camaro is one up on the others...but I'd personally never compare it with the Corvette as the latter is in a different league and appeals to an almost entirely different type of car buyer.