Engine out, tore down, broken piston and rod

[Bird_Of_Prey]

Re: Engine out, tore down, broken piston and rod

I understand what it runs. I'm saying it's less than ideal as a daily driver.

[N2OEQIP]

Re: Engine out, tore down, broken piston and rod

only thing it doesnt have is ac. Full interior and a decent sound system. I'd drive this ***** anywhere. lol

[LETZRIDE]

Re: Engine out, tore down, broken piston and rod

ya, I resent that statement to....although I will agree that it is a pain in the *** for awhile tracking down issues and headaches...but once you've found them and maintain the car, she'll be good back to you. Most of the problems I have ever caused in my car were a result of racing...daily driven I probably wouldn't of had half of them...

[Bird_Of_Prey]

Re: Engine out, tore down, broken piston and rod

ya, I resent that statement to....although I will agree that it is a pain in the *** for awhile tracking down issues and headaches...but once you've found them and maintain the car, she'll be good back to you. Most of the problems I have ever caused in my car were a result of racing...daily driven I probably wouldn't of had half of them...

But what's the point if ya don't race? Would you have wanted to deal with all those hassles without some sort of reward? I wouldn't put all the time and effort in, to have my clock cleaned at a stop light by a stock Hyundai.

[LETZRIDE]

Re: Engine out, tore down, broken piston and rod

But what's the point if ya don't race? Would you have wanted to deal with all those hassles without some sort of reward? I wouldn't put all the time and effort in, to have my clock cleaned at a stop light by a stock Hyundai.

reward is having a fast street car lol...being able to have a little fun with a spirted drive...but the best reward is the fact that i'ts custom...you've tailored your car to your needs...its not generic. I personally hit the track maybe 3-4 times a year, make 5-6 passes each time...so technically I don't race, but yet my setup is becoming more and more race oriented. Heck I'm strongly considering switching to a full manual valve body tranny with a gate/ratchet shifter. (will make my life tons easier if/when I have to swap to standalone) I drive my car in the snow!! lol. So I do deal with these hassles without much race driven reward, I don't mind...although at the time you'd think otherwise ...

edit: speaking of which I'll probably be pm'ing you at somepoint to get a little info from you

[Camaro_09]

Re: Engine out, tore down, broken piston and rod

Ok, here's my issues. 1. That oil was never changed anywhere near 3000 miles. If you can't see that, please just put a stock engine back in the car because you have no clue what is going on. 2. Why modify if you're not going to take it to a track. I know it sounds like fun to spend all this money and have a cammed v6, but it's not. You'll get tired of chasing issues and fixing broken parts. Not to mention that it really sucks to deal with all this crap on a daily driven car. I'd stop, take a step back and re-evaluate your goals. A fast street car does not involve a Series II V6.

I can see there is alot of sludge " im not an idiot" but i have paper work on all the work done to the car from the prior owner now as far as how ofen it was changed before him I just dont know. Some of you are all about the strip and thats great, racing is awsome no matter how you put it, but i dont want to take it to the strip. I just want a great build that i did myself i dont car about chasing issues its all apart of the game if i didnt like that then i would find a diff. hobby.

[Bird_Of_Prey]

Re: Engine out, tore down, broken piston and rod

I can see there is alot of sludge " im not an idiot" but i have paper work on all the work done to the car from the prior owner now as far as how ofen it was changed before him I just dont know. Some of you are all about the strip and thats great, racing is awsome no matter how you put it, but i dont want to take it to the strip. I just want a great build that i did myself i dont car about chasing issues its all apart of the game if i didnt like that then i would find a diff. hobby.

Sigh. The other point is that if the engine looks like that, think of what the rest of the drive line looks like. Zero maintainence was done before whomever you bought this from, and clearly they unloaded their headache on you.

I had written a whole diatribe, but just deleted it, since it will just fall on deaf ears. Good luck, you're gonna need it.

[Mighty Thor]

Re: Engine out, tore down, broken piston and rod

I don't want to see this thread fail by being off topic...so change the topic.

What type of engine are you going for?

[techsan23]

Re: Engine out, tore down, broken piston and rod

im going to start fresh and build a fast street engine, im not looking to take it to the track so if anyone has any input on what i might want for a fast street engine that would be great.

Your going to have to start out with a different bottom end obviously, but I think a cam and headers would fit the bill nicely. You would probably want to go ahead and replace the basics while your in there: full set of gaskets, timing chain and tensioner, oil gear drive, lifters, water pump, thermostat and coolant elbows. Depending on the cam you will probably need to upgrade valvesprings, retainers, pushrods and maybe even a double roller timing chain. Heres abbott's cam which should work with #105 springs and a single roller.
ARH Naturally Aspirated cam
-210/220 @ .050
-.320" lobe lift on the intake, .512 with a 1.6 rocker ratio
-.320 lobe lift on the exhaust, .512 with a 1.6 rocker ratio
-112 lobe separation

[Rob Bell]

Re: Engine out, tore down, broken piston and rod

Just my 2 cents, but I would suggest getting Bluex's engine for $300 plus shipping (or another known, good engine), $300 seems pretty cheap, then you know you'll be getting a good engine and start with that. Then do the cam, P&P heads, upgraded valvetrain, headers, exhaust, tune and whatever else.

Also, I agree with others on here, that since the engine was obviously neglected, that the rest of the car was too. Specifically the transmission. I didn't notice if it's an auto, but you may want to take a look at it and make sure it's up to par... or just not worry about it and replace it when it does go bad.

[Camaro_09]

Re: Engine out, tore down, broken piston and rod

well i have found a 2005 buick longblock with 25k for around 450 and it looks very clean. This is my list of thinks i was going to put in to the new longblock, abbott stage 1 heads with the 130# springs ,intense stage 1x n/a cam, LS7 lifters, pacesetter midtube headers, not sure on roller rocker arms yet still reserching those, and also not sure on push rods yet. Any input would be great on thoes. Now i have done alot of reserch on the cam and i choose the intense stage 1x cam because i have read alot about it and i have found that it is good on the street, please correct me if im wrong. All the input is very helpfull thanks guys

[Bird_Of_Prey]

Re: Engine out, tore down, broken piston and rod

That's a much better idea than building a forged short block. I wouldn't do heads. It will save you a considerable amount of money, and the performance difference isn't that great.

[Rob Bell]

Re: Engine out, tore down, broken piston and rod

So Bird of Prey, when you say the heads won't help, are you thinking that because they are only stage 1? What if he got the Stage 2 or 3? Or are you thinking that because of his combination, heads won't make much of a difference?

[Bird_Of_Prey]

Re: Engine out, tore down, broken piston and rod

Ported L36's are pretty much worthless. For the few hp you can gain, you can make that up with a slightly bigger cam. $1000ish for ported stock casting heads that flow 20cfm better than stock aren't really worth it, especially since it isn't a max effort build. He'll never miss those 5rwhp, but he sure will miss those $1000 dollars.

[rick121]

Re: Engine out, tore down, broken piston and rod

oh man it was fun converting the engines over. do you know how much freaking money you save going for a buick engine? headwork is pointless for these. they just don't put out the kind of numbers worth the money. guess not a big enough market. supposedly the cams aren't super good either but i'm not sure. they're hard to find for the 3800. thats for sure