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    Throwing this in Advanced, since it's a more technical question than "what brand" or "how often"

    So, after adding a bottle of Techron to my car (and ordering up some Red Line cleaner for down the road), I decided to ask the following of Chevron and Red Line (using each's product name of course):

    --- Begin question ---
    What is the best driving style to get the best results with Techron Concentrate in the tank?

    Different situations such as WOT, extended cruising at low or high speeds, stop and go, and cold starts, all affect fuel delivery, cylinder temperatures, and dwell time of combustion mixtures (low vs high rpm). What I'm guessing is that some of these situations have potential for Techron to work more effectively. I'd hate to add a dose before a long highway trip when the same dose added before a week of city driving had more potential to clean up deposits.
    --- End of question ---

    A couple days later, both companies wrote back -

    --- Begin Redline's answer ---
    I am not sure which situation would produce better injector cleaning,
    I would suspect that probably stop and go would be slightly better as
    during shut down the detergents would work be allowed to saturate the
    deposit and then clean it on restart. It will work either way and
    likely the differences overall would be minimal.

    Regards, Dave
    Red Line Oil
    --- End of Red Line ---

    --- Begin Chevron answer ---
    The developmental work on Techron Concentrate was initially done in taxicab service and later using employee cars. None of the testing was such where highway mileage accumulation occurred after the addition of the Techron Concentrate. Thus, we have no data on highway service. It is our opinion that service where the vehicle is allowed to overnight soak several times so the additive has time to help soften the deposits works best. It is thought that refilling the fuel tank before it becomes empty stretches out the treatment and improves effectiveness.

    Chevron Fuels Technical Service
    --- End Chevron answer ---

    The answers kind of surprised me - I didn't think that the overnight soaks would be seen as a factor, more than different cylinder conditions when actually driving the car. I guess that dose before the long highway trip _might_ not be the best time to do it.

    At the same time, the answers clearly had an air of, "It just works, but we don't know exactly what conditions it does its work or works best."

    I've been inspired by the poster who wrote all the tire companies a couple months ago, and will send the question out to more of the additive companies. As answers come in I'll post them in the thread. Hope this generates a bit of interesting debate..

    -Jeff
    Drivetrain Moderator - "There are no stupid questions, only stupid people!"

    2001 Pewter Firebird Y87, M5
    Intake, exhaust, just about every suspension part, alum flywheel & ds, Turn One p/s pump and cooler

    Go Sabres!

  • #2
    From Royal Purple:

    --- Begin ---
    I would recommend the stop and go over the long trip for best results.
    --- End ---
    Drivetrain Moderator - "There are no stupid questions, only stupid people!"

    2001 Pewter Firebird Y87, M5
    Intake, exhaust, just about every suspension part, alum flywheel & ds, Turn One p/s pump and cooler

    Go Sabres!

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    • #3
      Valvoline says:

      Thank you for your message. There is no specific driving style that would make the cleaner work more effectively.
      Drivetrain Moderator - "There are no stupid questions, only stupid people!"

      2001 Pewter Firebird Y87, M5
      Intake, exhaust, just about every suspension part, alum flywheel & ds, Turn One p/s pump and cooler

      Go Sabres!

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      • #4
        Great idea and thanks for the effort! It's very surprising that these companies haven't done more exhaustive testing. I would think that they would want to know how all the different driving conditions affect their product. I'm also a little surprised about the whole "soaking" theory. I would think that since gasoline is so volatile there would be minimal soaking time as it would evaporate relatively quickly. Be sure to let us know if you notice any difference after your use.
        <b>Mike</b><br /><a href=\"http://www.cardomain.com/id/mcjoslyn\" target=\"_blank\">2001 Camaro</a><br />Light Pewter Metallic Convertible<br />AU0,A31,C60,DG7,F41,GU6,K34,L36,M30,T82,T96,UN0<p ><b>If it can\'t be expressed in figures, it is not science; it is opinion.</b>

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        • #5
          Well, I'm changing plugs, wires, and fuel filter tomorrow, so they'll be a bigger effect than the Techron I'm guessing.

          My initial guess was accleration and deceleration were the main driving factors - you go somewhat rich at WOT, getting more of the cleaner in there. You take your foot off the gas and downshift, and the engine goes lean, giving deposits a chance to burn off from the extra oxygen.

          I guess that fits under the stop and go, but you're right, I just don't see the soak thing working - unless the detergents are extremely non-volatile and will hang around.

          -Jeff
          Drivetrain Moderator - "There are no stupid questions, only stupid people!"

          2001 Pewter Firebird Y87, M5
          Intake, exhaust, just about every suspension part, alum flywheel & ds, Turn One p/s pump and cooler

          Go Sabres!

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          • #6
            One last one:

            Thank you for taking the time to contact us about STP Complete Fuel System Cleaner. We appreciate your interest in our products.

            When used as directed, the STP Complete Fuel System Cleaner will perform equally under all conditions. I hope this information is helpful.

            Again, thank you for contacting us.

            Sincerely,

            David N. Mills
            Product Specialist

            --- End of message ---

            I'm just not sure about the wishy-washy answers from some of these companies. It's like they throw stuff in a bottle, go "hey, it worked a little" and sell without trying to understand.
            Drivetrain Moderator - "There are no stupid questions, only stupid people!"

            2001 Pewter Firebird Y87, M5
            Intake, exhaust, just about every suspension part, alum flywheel & ds, Turn One p/s pump and cooler

            Go Sabres!

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            • #7
              I like lucas fuel system cleaner. Since I cammed my engine I've used this every ~3rd oil change. Seems to work pretty good. I defintely get less P0300's and more mpg after using it. But it is short lived.
              Keith - 99 'maro - White M5 - bumpstick and boltons - 13.65 @ 101 N/A
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              • #8
                thanks for the info zlexiss...i have always wondered that too but never thought to actually write an e-mail asking them those questions. thanks again for the info..personally, i like the valvoline injector cleaner the most.
                1993 Olds Cutlass Ciera(The White Devil)3.3L V6 (gone)<br />New Car:2002 Ford Taurus SE 3.0L V6 (The White Bull)

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                • #9
                  One more from Berryman (which Yahoo accidentally sent to my spam folder):

                  --- Begin message ---
                  The best way to get clean-up efficiency is to run the additives through at highway speeds for an extended amount of time. This procedure,unfortunately is not realistic for most. All of our fuel additives are designed for the average driver. Deposits in the combustion chamber and especially the fuel injector tips are most susceptible to build-up with short trips.
                  When the engine is at operating temperature and then shut down, there is no water circulation in the block and the engine temperatures rise.
                  These extremely hot temperatures in the combustion chamber and manifold cause wet fuel deposits on the injector tip and piston heads to dry out and harden on themselves.

                  Periodically introducing detergents in the fuel will clean these deposits and keep the engine clean.

                  For maximum clean up in any driving condition, please consider Berryman's Total Fuel System Clean-Up, part # 2616. This product is formulated
                  with B-12 Chemtool High Energy Solvent Technology (HEST)and two separate detergents to clean at varying temperatures, to address deposits in
                  the combustion chamber, intake manifold and injectors.

                  Thank you for your inquiry and interesty in Berryman Products.

                  --- End of message ---

                  Kind of conflicts with the others, but the mention of having different detergents for different temperatures shows they may have done some research on this, and formulated the product to work no matter how the car is driven.
                  Drivetrain Moderator - "There are no stupid questions, only stupid people!"

                  2001 Pewter Firebird Y87, M5
                  Intake, exhaust, just about every suspension part, alum flywheel & ds, Turn One p/s pump and cooler

                  Go Sabres!

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                  • #10
                    I think when they talk about soaking overnight they are reffering to the fuel that sits in the injectors after you shut the car off.. not the combustion chamber..
                    -Brad
                    98 Firebird - gone from mod mode to keep it running and useable mode.
                    2000 V-Star Custom 1100
                    If all else fails use a bigger hammer!
                    :rock:

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