HPP3 vs. Wester's programming !!!!!!

[Georghino]

Mods listed in my sig are being installed in my car as we speak and I would like to know which way I should go when the time to tune my car comes (which will be pretty soon). Headers and Catback are next.
Thanks,

[Dominic]

The HPP3 blows monkey ***, dont buy it.

[Drone51]

for a manual maybe

hypertech worked great on my car and on rebird00 car too

you can feel SOTP diffrence easy

[FloydSummerOf68]

And I just bought the HPP3 from Drone...and I agree it is DEFINATLEY a SOTP gain.
It has worked wonders for my car, especially with the shift firmness.
Also I can change things up anytime I want, unlike the westers (although I'm sure with the westers you get to customize the tuning far more...but I like being able to change things anytime I want within only 10 minutes)

[Drone51]

500 for the westers which you cant change anything and honestly its not a custom tune its a mail order tune. A custom tune would be when you tune your car on the dyno for maximum power. Westers is the same thing as the hpp3 but might be a tad better but not 200+ dollars better.

hpp3 will probably gain 10-15hp the westers is not gonna get you another 10hp above the hpp3.

200 dollar diffrence new and 300 if you get a used hpp3, hpp3 is clearly better for a automatic car. I have heard problems with cars with manuals and hpp3 but for an auto the hpp3 works great


if you have 500 laying around wait for magnus's programer to come out.

[FloydSummerOf68]

Originally posted by Drone51:

if you have 500 laying around wait for magnus's programer to come out.

Indeed

[Timbo1969]

That's what I'd do, unless I found a great deal on an HPP3 to tide me over until Magnus' programmer comes out.. :D

[Georghino]

My car is auto so I guess the HPP3 would be the way to go.
Any other info?

p.s. Magnus' Programmer? Can anybody tell me a little bit more about that?
Thanks,

[ March 26, 2004, 03:20 AM: Message edited by: Georghino ]

[Magnus]

$500 for westers? Our setup will be released at $499.

http://www.hptuners.com if you guys are interested.

Please note.. I am not a sponsor of this site.. so I'm not going to be posting about my product much really. It is in violation with the admins and I respect that.

[Guardiannknight]

Originally posted by Drone51:
500 for the westers which you cant change anything and honestly its not a custom tune its a mail order tune. A custom tune would be when you tune your car on the dyno for maximum power. Westers is the same thing as the hpp3 but might be a tad better but not 200+ dollars better.

hpp3 will probably gain 10-15hp the westers is not gonna get you another 10hp above the hpp3.

200 dollar diffrence new and 300 if you get a used hpp3, hpp3 is clearly better for a automatic car. I have heard problems with cars with manuals and hpp3 but for an auto the hpp3 works great


if you have 500 laying around wait for magnus's programer to come out.

UMMM, [img]graemlins/slap.gif[/img] You say on the Westers chip you can not change anything. Who are you joking now. Have you ordered one from them. Or have you even looked at the sheet that you have to feel out in order to have one custom tuned for you[side note: you have to feel out everything or they will not custom make a chip for you]. Before you start making remarks on something. Maybe you should use it first, or do a little research on it. I'm not tring to start anything here, but it really burns me up when people say, "hey don't get this it's not worth it just because I think it's not worth it". Unless you know for a fact it's not worth it, then just say " hey the HPP3 is good for such and such and be honest just say that you have no clue for what the Westers custom chip does". As for it not being a custom chip. [img]graemlins/slap.gif[/img] Ok, lets see, they can custom tune to any mod or change you have done to your car. For example, if you have changed the Camshaft, they can CUSTOM TUNE the chip to take effect of the settings that you send them. Heads, Rocker Arm ratios, ignition, boost retard, etc. etc. the sheet you have to feel out goes on and on. If that is not and let me bold it again CUSTOM TUNE then I don't know what is. I don't see a HPP3 doing that. In matter of fact. I would not dare use a HPP3 nor a Jet Chip stage 2 with upgrades like a new cam, heads, or any power adder etc. etc. HPP3 and Jet Chips are good for those that have done small mods to there car like, a simple intake, lower thermy, headers, and some exhaust work. And how it sounds the HPP3 helps out the autos with the shift points.

But, when you get into adding and changing your internals in your engine. I would highly suggest you go with a custom tune. I have the 1.8 rockers and i'm sure the custom tune helps take full advantage of them. Plus with all my other mods, the custom chip just plan rocks [img]graemlins/rock.gif[/img]

I'm guessing your thinking the only way you can get a custom chip is to go some where, that has a dyno and let them tune it as they scan and dyno the car. Sure, that would probably be the best way to go. But, with all the info that you give the guys at Westers. I would have a big dought you would see much difference if any between the dyno tune and theirs.

I've never used a HPP3, but I have used a Jet chip stage 2, which is pretty much the same thing from my understanding as a HPP3. The only difference is, with the HPP3 your able to select a few different settings. The difference I felt from the custom tune and the Jet Chip Stage 2 was crazy. It was like being in a totally different car. I wish I could of got a dyno of a before the custom tune and after. But, with me working 6 to all 7 days of the week most of the time, it's kinda hard to get anything done. :( I do however plan on getting a dyno of my current mods with the custom tune and seeing what kinda hp and torque I'm pushing at the wheels.

So, I'm guessing some of you are wondering "are you saying do not get the Westers custom chip unless you have some internal engine mods?" The answer is , I would suggest you getting this custom chip if you have done several mods, like headers, a modded exhaust system, intake mods, lower themy. With those mods alone, you would see more of a difference with the Westers custom tune than a HPP3 or a Jet chip.

I guess the easiest way of saying it, all to your own. If you would like to listen to someone that has never used nor it seems, seen a custom tune sheet from Westers, then go ahead and listen all you would like. As for me, after using the Jet Stage 2 chip pretty much ever since I've had my Camaro, yes the Jet chip was a great mod and I'm sure the HPP3 is also, but nothing near what the Westers custom chip is, plus you get free upgrades with the Westers chip, anytime you do anything to your car, you just feel out another sheet and they will send you another custom chip with the new tune settings for your new mod for $45. And then another $17(what it cost me to resend my chip back) to send your chip back to them. Not a bad deal if you ask me. I know some of you are saying, :eek: that can add up to a lot of money over time. Well, you don't need to get another custom chip if you do a simple mod. Now if you get a power adder or do some internal engine work, then yes, you need to have them send you another chip with the new tune settings. But, if your doing that kinda work to your car, then $62 for another tune shouldn't really matter. The really cool thing is, your car is never down. Just send in the new settings that you need. And the chip will be sent to you, you change it out, and then you send your chip back to them. Pretty nice if you ask me. [img]graemlins/bowdown.gif[/img]

Well, I'm finished rambling now. :D Like I said, not tring to start anything, but please don't say the Westers chip is not worth the extra few hundred dollars when you've never used one. And for that matter, don't go around saying other stuff is not worth buying when you've never used it. [img]graemlins/twak.gif[/img]

[Guardiannknight]

Also, I would like to add. The software that Magnus is talking about looks great. I went over to the site and that software [img]graemlins/rock.gif[/img] Just some of us don't have much time to set around and program the chips nor do I myself want to go through that. Plus, you would need a laptop if I'm not mistaking, which some of us don't have. ;) The Westers custom chip is the way to go in my opinion. But if you have time and would like to custom tune your chip yourself. I'd go with the software Magnus is talking about. It looks like it is going to [img]graemlins/rock.gif[/img]

[FloydSummerOf68]

What we were saying abuot the westers is that once you have it you have it. You cant say to yourself one day...hey I want to change my shift points and then do it in 5 minutes.
Also the HPP3 is FAR superior to the Jet Chip.
We arent saying westers is bad or anything like that at all...all I was saying is that it seems inconvenient that you have to send it off to have changes made to it...and I think thats what Drone was saying as well.

[Drone51]

umm you say they can program for a cam


do they have a test car with the same cam as yours and the same setup as yours and did they dyno tune it NO


ITS A MAIL ORDER PROGRAM
IT WILL NEVER BE AS GOOD AS A CUSTOM TUNE
you are calling it a custom tune ITS NOT
let me put it in bold for you again ITS NOT A CUSTOM TUNE, ITS A MAIL ORDER TUNE
yea if you have a cam shaft they will probably raise shift points, rev limiter, may lean it out if your running rich may adjust the idel up some so it idels better but its still only a mail order tune with no real world tuning behind it


they might do an ok job but when you can get a programer for the same price and do all that and more and do it whenever you want which do you think is better

custom tune = tuning to get the most power out of YOUR car
westers tuning = mail order tuning to get you a little closer then stock, in theory anyways (why in theory you ask, because they dont have a car to tune it with, they dont put a car on the dyno with your same mods and tune it they do what in theory works)

westers can only get a general tune, how many v6's have they tuned on the dyno?

[ March 26, 2004, 01:47 PM: Message edited by: Drone51 ]

[AllTheGoodNamesAreGone]

you all cut it out.. you are taking each others arguments WAY out of context..

I have had an hpp3.. for a stok motor or exhaust/intake car.. its GREAT!

I was happy with the .2 i gained in the 1/4 mile..

[Timbo1969]

Hey they are just giving their opinions. No need to get riled up about it.. :D