FAST fuel system.

[White95]

High -Tech Performance Magazine just did a write up on the FAST system if any of you guys are interested

[wantmorepower]

Any more progress on this FAST project yet?

[Mogobs30th]

I got my 6 months of research done, now just need time to save the money. This car is not going to be streetable, but should be very fast. The actual price on this whole project is going to be somewhere in the $45-$50k range, done in phases over the next 4 years, or what my budget will allow. But make no mistake, my life is going to be completely focused on this project, my whole lifestyle will accomodate for it, including me moving into a one room studio (hovel) just to see the reality of this come together.

[wantmorepower]

That ..my friend.. is dedication to your baby. WOW! I really hope this thing works out for you.

40 - 50 should produce one fast fbody.

[mrbako]

i am planing a similar project...and just moved into a new place w/ a garage so i can get to work....i've finished my planning (although things are constantly changing/improving) and now i'm into the beginning of assembly....

i do not see any reason to go w/ the FAST system...

with the ecu program that magnus has been working on, we should be able to program our ecu to handle anything we can throw at it...the FAST is a waste of money....

just my $0.02

[DEE97GTP]

Speaking from experience? I don't think so. Yeah, it will do fine for milds mods, but not hardcore types. And I don't consider a bolton supercharger hardcore either. There is alot more features that the FAST, ACCEL units offer that make it for the hardore type. It isn't all about the A/F and timing......

With fast, you can run in closed loop from the wideband, which is NICE!. It makes it easier to run 160lb injectors as well.

I worked all last season with the FAST unit tuning my buds mustang outlaw car. It is running a D3R procharger(about 28psi), on a 390ci motor. It makes around 1500HP.

"with the ecu program that magnus has been working on, we should be able to program our ecu to handle anything we can throw at it...the FAST is a waste of money...."

[mrbako]

w/ a dyno tune...it will be perfectly fine no matter what you have done... once again....this is MY 2 friggin sense here...i wouldn't waste my money on a more expensive ecu when i could pay 1/3 the price and get the same results...

i forgot that we were talking about a 97 so...sorry

you are running 160lb injectors?
damn...now that would prob require a FAST...but i still wouldn't use it....i'd just get a secondary injector system.

now...you say "With fast, you can run in closed loop from the wideband, which is NICE"

i thought when in closed loop operation it went to fuel maps in the ecu and ignored the oxygen sensors. from what i've learned...only in open loop (partial throttle/idle) the oxygen sensors/ MAF/MAP are used to maintain stoich.

i could see how running in an open loop @ full throttle using the widebamd to adjust the fuel would be great...that would be like being on a dyno that automatically tuned your car while driving it.

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

ummm westers is progamming my ECU right now, they will also dyno tune if you can get the car up there.

i looked into the FAST too, the thing is to have to "fool" your stock pcm, or get the motor programed out, YOU SILL NEED THE STOCK ECM, or your car will never start it contorls the dash too and for autos the shift points ect ect, i emailed FAST about 3 months ago they siad they have the wiring we would need and every thing for 2000 some bucks. then westers siad they would try to program my PCM. maybe one day i'll upgrade but at the time i would still have to have my PCM programmed and such so it wouldn't freak out on me.

yes FAST would be great for you and me with BIG projects, i have 11K into mine now, 45K WTF you puttting in the motor? also if your going to run really high boost Intense and 3800performance both told me to bore over .020, so did the guy doing the boring. gives rings a better seal....

look at this way they was running 15 PSI on a stock motor w/MSD and they ran that (Tiago) with out race gas but ran the race gas on the dyno to be safe. now i would get Diamond coated pistons, not cheap L67 stock ones, get the coated one from 3800 or Intense (same price)(they inclued pins and rings) I thiking its like $839. and find some forged rods, the 2004 GTP are cheap and forged not sure how stong they are... geuss i'll find out(200 somthing for set of 6). get them for the 8:1 C/R and theers no ****ing way in hell your need 160 LB hour injectors maybe 75 (they have some in high impedance for "stock" PCM's now [img]smile.gif[/img] or get the converter box to use your stock (with programming) PCM and use low impedance injectors. the stock PCM can hanlde it all you have to do is tell it what it has and blame'o you got HP,

FAST is great and will work but some things on your car no longer will useing it that all im saying. i'm going to wait till i can buy a 4 banger daily, then i'll through that in, upgrade the turbo and add a 100 shot or so [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

bye the way taking th c/r down from 9.4 to 8.5 in my motor (not counting cam here) 7-8 PSI gave the same finall c/r (after the boost is in there) as 11-12 PSI with the 8.5 so you will be able to run mo boost with the low C/R

[Arctc Wolf]

the main thing about the stand alone units is that u can tune in smaller increments than w/ stock computers, and the tune can always be changed. yea, it'll allow more power to be made, but more importantly, the power u will make w/ the unit will make the engine mroe reliable in the long run, meaning less broken parts and such.

[Mogobs30th]

Lemme be a little more specific on why I am choosing a FAST system.

I need complete and total control of the ECU at ALL TIMES, ON THE SPOT. Nothing against Wester programming, it would be great for street/strip applications, but for my application it would only be a hassle. I simply can't afford to be sending a PCM to them every 15 minutes till the things I need set are right. With the FAST system, I can set the parameter for each individual cylinder, right down to how much fuel each one is getting, and what degree each cylinder is firing, and I can do it while I am at the track. And yes, I am aware that the ECU cannot replace shift functions that the stock PCM would handle, so in all reality, I will probably have both installed on the car, the FAST system to replace the ignition and fuel system functions of the stock PCM, and the stock PCM for the shift functions for the tranny. As for the dash instrument cluster, well, I never planned on using the dash anyways, the whole interior of the car is being stripped, so that instrument cluster is worthless to me. I am replacing all the gauges with Auto Meter gauges.

Now for the motor, I got that covered. The whole engine is being built with Intense parts, for the exception of the upper and lower intakes, which I will have ported by SSMS. Probably cost in the range of about $9-$10k just for the engine alone, but it has to withstand 20-30 lbs. of boost, from an externally wastegated T61 turbo. 8.0 C/R, with Stage 3 heads and Stage 3 turbo cam, and 1.7 rocker ratio, to open those valves to the limit. As for injectors, I am not sure who said I was using 160lb'ers, but that is WAY too big, even for this. I am going to use 750cc (71 lbs) injectors from RC Engineering.

I can say this, this car is not going to be streetable. It will be towed to and from the track on a trailer, making it a trailer queen. But if everything works out, I will make an 11 second pass by a V6 F-body look boring. [img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img]

If anyone wants to look over the price sheet I have set for this project, I would be happy to email it to them. There could be a few things on here that I am missing, and any input is appreciated. Viper, I will email it to you, give you an idea on what exactly it is that I am doing. In the next few weeks I should have a complete written breakdown on everything that I plan on doing, just need to find time to write it.

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

cool [img]graemlins/rock.gif[/img]

i just can't waot to get home and get my beast up and running lol

mine is still a daily driver, you diffently want the FAST sys for a trailer queen.... lol

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

i wouldn't woorry about the boost with those pistons and cam, 15 PSI stock lower C/r to 8.0 (keeping rest of motor stock i bet you could do 22psi with out any trouble you may need 28-32 psi ranger to feed the motor lol

one last thing i dont think you can go over 1.65:1 rocker arms with that cam......
im sure you got a double roller timing chain too lol

im going to upgrade mine one day to double but for now it fine

[SOONverySOON]

is there any tunning for a 1996 3.8? will the fast work on a 96 and basically make it totally tunable? will it still be street legal with the fast system? I know nothing about this so bare with me. thanks.

also I dont really know much about computers on cars mainly have worked with carbs before. my plan for the future is full exhaust, gears, aluminum flywheel, stroker kit with P&P intakes and heads, nice cam, and maybe small shot of nos. would I need custom tunning for this set up? thanks.

[Pro Stock John]

I have a FAST system on my 98 Formula. I think Intense has one on their White GTP that runs low 10's.

It's a great system, very easy to use, and if you plan to make a lot of power it can run bigger low impedance injectors and utilize a 2 or 3 bar map sensor.

I have 83lb Siemens and a 3 bar map.