a cam for me?

[Ironman24]

My specs are 210/214 on a 113 l/s with .450 total lift. I'm very very happy with my cam. It made the car stong on the top end, lost a little low end grunt (as expected). Gains were 25 rwhp on the dyno and the car responded great with a 100 shot of nitrous. It seems to be a good all around cam even with the blower.

As I said before I think my driveability problems are due to multiple things, not just the cam. But as I let my car warm up for a good 10 mins this morning before I can even get out of the garage I was thinking to myself there is no way I'd drive the car daily. If I use any gas pedal in open loop before the car is warm it instantly dies on me. So even if it's warm I have to wait for closed loop before going anywhere.

[pgriffith]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Ironman24:
My specs are 210/214 on a 113 l/s with .450 total lift. I'm very very happy with my cam. It made the car stong on the top end, lost a little low end grunt (as expected). Gains were 25 rwhp on the dyno and the car responded great with a 100 shot of nitrous. It seems to be a good all around cam even with the blower.

As I said before I think my driveability problems are due to multiple things, not just the cam. But as I let my car warm up for a good 10 mins this morning before I can even get out of the garage I was thinking to myself there is no way I'd drive the car daily. If I use any gas pedal in open loop before the car is warm it instantly dies on me. So even if it's warm I have to wait for closed loop before going anywhere.<hr></blockquote>


Very weird, You should get those issues checked out. That would be a fun daily driver. What did you dyno after the cam before the charger with no nitrous?

[jonny985]

Loochy, I believe Min has the setup you are looking at. He is putting out something like 212rwhp. That is at least what I've heard.

[Ttop34]

So with that cam, will the springs on that site work without milling the pedastol? Also, are the pushrods necessary for that much lift?

Milling the pedastol adds like $600 to the install since you have to pull the heads. The guy at Comp was more concerned with having to mill the guide so that something doesn't hit it and cause problems. The guy at Comp also said that we could use the bug block lobes 3341 and 3342 which are 206/212 with lift of only .480. If that's true, there's a lot of lobes with more duration that we can use with stock springs because of the low lift. Is this really true?

[Loochy88]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Ttop34:
So with that cam, will the springs on that site work without milling the pedastol? Also, are the pushrods necessary for that much lift?

Milling the pedastol adds like $600 to the install since you have to pull the heads. The guy at Comp was more concerned with having to mill the guide so that something doesn't hit it and cause problems. The guy at Comp also said that we could use the bug block lobes 3341 and 3342 which are 206/212 with lift of only .480. If that's true, there's a lot of lobes with more duration that we can use with stock springs because of the low lift. Is this really true?<hr></blockquote>


ok... heres me again:

i just figured since those springs/ pushrods/ retainers were right next to the cam they would work together?

what is milling the Milling the pedastol? if this would require the extra 600 dollars, what cam should i buy so as to not have to spend that? someone elaborate please

[Ironman24]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by pgriffith:



Very weird, You should get those issues checked out. That would be a fun daily driver. What did you dyno after the cam before the charger with no nitrous?<hr></blockquote>

I bet if I put a stock TB back on there it would run much better. I actually don't miss driving the car daily, I'd rather have it as a weekend car.

Here is my dyno after the cam. One pull is N/A and the other was with nitrous.

http://www.carolinafbodyclub.com/iro...oinfo4_jpg.htm

[FirebirdGT]

OR from ZZPerformance site:

The Competition cams VS cam was designed for use with totally stock heads. Stock springs, keepers, retainer, lifters and pushrods are recommended.

This cam is very popular as it produces the gains of the 'big' cams without the risks. In stock form the Series II 3800 heads stop flowing better with lifts over .500, in fact they actually flow a little worse! This means that using lifts over .500 with stock heads doesn't help performance it only hurts reliability.

The VS cam uses a tight base on the exhaust lobe and comp's steepest ramp rate to keep the computer happy. This cam does not set the P0300 code and can be installed on a lightly mod'd 3800 all the way to radical. It works very well with an intercooler and doesn't bleed off as much boost as some of the other cams making it an excellent choice for use with a small blower like the M90.

Look for gains of 40-50 hp depending on your car's current configuration.

Bill Hooper uses the VS cam with totally stock heads and has trap speeds in excess of 110mph!
Digital Ken uses the VS cam with totally stock heads and dyno'd over 400 HP to the wheels!
Zooomer uses the VS cam with ZZP stage 4 heads and 1.7 rockers.


206°/216° at .050"
Intake Lift .315" (.504" lift at 1.6:1 rocker ratio)
Exhaust Lift .315" (.504" lift at 1.6:1 rocker ratio)
115 Lobe Separation


http://www.zzperformance.com/zzp/pro...tition_cam.htm

[Dominic]

Remember, both of those cams are DESIGNED for forced induction. They will not act the same on a n/a engine.

[Ttop34]

Just got an email back about this cam.


Hi,

While the motors in the GP and the Camaro "should" be the same we cant
guarantee it because we have not tested this cam in a Camaro. But I will
try to answer your questions the best that I can. As far as I know, no
cam has the ability to advance timing on its own, you can install it a
tooth or two advanced but that isn't recommended at all. I would suggest
new springs and retainers, but the push rods are up to you based upon
your individual engine wear. Again, I am not sure about your motor, but
there shouldn't be any work needed on the heads to make this fit, but
again I can only speak for the L36 in a Grand Prix.

Thanks.

--
Regards,
--
Jeff Hershberger
Parts For Your Car http://www.pfyc.com


Kendall Macon wrote:

&gt; I'm looking at geting a cam for my 2000 V6 camaro. I've decided on
&gt; the 206/212 for it's compatibility with my stock programed computer.
&gt; I do have the Jet chip though which advances my timing. Does this cam
&gt; have built in timing advance? With this cam, do I need to get new
&gt; springs or pushrods? I'm pretty sure that I need new springs like the
&gt; ones you have on your site but I along with Comp isn't sure if I need
&gt; new pushrods. Does anything in the head need to be altered to use
&gt; this cam with these springs? What about the pedasols? Do those need
&gt; milling or does the guide need any milling?
&gt;
&gt; Thanks for your help,
&gt; Kendall Macon

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[Loochy88]

looks like someone needs to be the guinea pig ;)

[ November 19, 2002: Message edited by: Loochy88 ]</p>

[Ttop34]

The parts are ordered, I can't wait till they get here. Since he was mentioned, I went head and emailed Min about his cam. Here's an email I got back:

"My cam doesnt set off a SES light or anything like that. I got my upgraded springs, and chromoly pushrods from The Grand Prix Store. My mechanic told me I didn't HAVE to get new pushrods and springs, but said he highly recommended them. I did not have to mill the pedestals. I live in Colorado where it gets pretty cold, and I have never had problems with the car idling. Driveability was not affected too much, this is my daily driver. It pulls noticeably harder throught the RPM range and it reacts great to nitrous."

So, I'm almost tempted to maybe get nitrous, I have to get some tires that will let me lauch decently first though.

[Loochy88]

now im debating, this is good news for the cam, but i may be going the nitrous route... i wanna see what you think of your cam when its in, keep me posted... keep me posted on how much everything ends up costing and how much you end up likeing it.

ive got that damn nitrous bug though... i may just with that.... not both though.... well see