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[firebird1]

what were the specs on that cam?

i am gonna do a lot of headwork, i have some 2002 heads coming in about 3 weeks,

onequickv6, can you give me an idea of what other mods you have?

[OneQuickV6]

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[firebird1]

218/218 110 113 with .528 lift. how extreme is this? onequickv6 suggested i use the stock rockers instead of the slp 1.8's. what will the rockers do with that cam?

so what springs/retainers do i need for this as well?

[Timbo1969]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by firebird1:
218/218 110 113 with .528 lift. how extreme is this? onequickv6 suggested i use the stock rockers instead of the slp 1.8's. what will the rockers do with that cam?

so what springs/retainers do i need for this as well?<hr></blockquote>
On 1.8 I believe the lift would go up to about .591 or maybe a little higher. 130# springs I'd think if you were using the rockers. You would need to get your Heads milled with the stock rockers, with the 1.8's there would be some serious headwork to be done.

[aalugo2000]

no i dont have any 1/4 mile times, i just got the car runnin right like 2 days ago, and all i have is a g-tech, which i havent used yet. but the major power gains i have notices are from like 50-100mph, it pulls alot harder in that range.

also i dont have my nitrous hooked up right now, ill have to wait for spring for that.

[firebird1]

i was planning on the LS6 springs which will are .600" ;lift, not sure what springs yet.

do they make roller cams, for the 38's?

[99redcamaro]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by firebird1:
218/218 110 113 with .528 lift. how extreme is this? onequickv6 suggested i use the stock rockers instead of the slp 1.8's. what will the rockers do with that cam?

so what springs/retainers do i need for this as well?<hr></blockquote>


joe you won't find to much information here asking. do a search on cams and you would find more info on this. also i've read that .528 lift is like a lot for our valves. so you would need custom valve springs and retainers.
also looking at that cam and please no offense to the guys running big cams here, this is just an honest opinion, why would you want a 220 rwhp cammed v6 camaro to sound like a cammed 350 engine when a new accura tl or dodge srt4 would smoke the s***t out of you.if you want power do the cam but also try to install a supercharger/turbocharger or better yet go with a v8 swap.

[OneQuickV6]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by 99redcamaro:



joe you won't find to much information here asking. do a search on cams and you would find more info on this. also i've read that .528 lift is like a lot for our valves. so you would need custom valve springs and retainers.
also looking at that cam and please no offense to the guys running big cams here, this is just an honest opinion, why would you want a 220 rwhp cammed v6 camaro to sound like a cammed 350 engine when a new accura tl or dodge srt4 would smoke the s***t out of you.if you want power do the cam but also try to install a supercharger/turbocharger or better yet go with a v8 swap.<hr></blockquote>

Well, your opinion is noted, and most will agree it went in one ear and out the other. Would you rather be stuck at 170rwhp, or 210rwhp??? It seems so clear to me. And I have yet to be beat by an SRT4! And nitrous is our friend, thought everybody knew that by now! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Anyway, to asnwer your questions firebird1...the LS6 spring will work perfect with no other modification to your heads. And the LS6 and LS1 retainers and locks are just the same, part number and all as I recall. That LS6 springs has been great for me running NA and on the bottle, with no problems. It pulls HARD up to 5600 rpm, at which point my crappy rev limiter will be kciking in soon after, I have not taken it beyond there as of yet. When I get programming, I see my car climbing hard to 6000 RPMS [img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img] No valve float, no flutter, no losses here to stock LS1's either.

[99redcamaro]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by OneQuickV6:


Well, your opinion is noted, and most will agree it went in one ear and out the other. Would you rather be stuck at 170rwhp, or 210rwhp??? It seems so clear to me. And I have yet to be beat by an SRT4! And nitrous is our friend, thought everybody knew that by now! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Anyway, to asnwer your questions firebird1...the LS6 spring will work perfect with no other modification to your heads. And the LS6 and LS1 retainers and locks are just the same, part number and all as I recall. That LS6 springs has been great for me running NA and on the bottle, with no problems. It pulls HARD up to 5600 rpm, at which point my crappy rev limiter will be kciking in soon after, I have not taken it beyond there as of yet. When I get programming, I see my car climbing hard to 6000 RPMS [img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img] No valve float, no flutter, no losses here to stock LS1's either.<hr></blockquote>


well i didn't want to be noted anyways becuase i stated it was only my opinion and not a recomendation.

also you seem to be the kind of guys who would think you are the only modified car out there. just becuase you have nitro and a cam doesn't make the you the fastest.

srt4's can run 12's only with a FEW mods,(Real FEW Mods) and it would out last more than your about to explode nitro/cam engine, and it would handle better, of course is not as beatiful as our camaroes, but you knew that already. but we are not here to discuss that. as i said it was an honest opinion.

also i installed i little cam on my engine. and also i did pistons, valves, ported heads and bla bla bla. so far i haven't have no problems.
i didn't want a drag racing sound car so i got what i wanted and what i thought it would be the best cam to keep the reliability of my daily driver. so the litte cam it's paying by itself.
clearly i would go with 210rwhp that's why i did what i did to my engine and i'm happy with it, but is still a n/a V6 and still i don't have the power to outperform most of the newers v6 out there, and that's why i said and quoting myself

"why would you want a 220 rwhp cammed v6 camaro to sound like a cammed 350 engine when a new accura tl or dodge srt4 would smoke the s***t out of you.if you want power do the cam but also try to install a supercharger/turbocharger or better yet go with a v8 swap"

also firebid1, check for the gt cam.
http://www.zzperformance.com/zzp/pro...ion_gt_cam.htm

they can tell you exactly what others parts you need to keep the RELIABILITY of your engine. remember you could bring more problems than power when you're messing with this performace parts.

[firebird1]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by 99redcamaro:



joe you won't find to much information here asking. do a search on cams and you would find more info on this. also i've read that .528 lift is like a lot for our valves. so you would need custom valve springs and retainers.
also looking at that cam and please no offense to the guys running big cams here, this is just an honest opinion, why would you want a 220 rwhp cammed v6 camaro to sound like a cammed 350 engine when a new accura tl or dodge srt4 would smoke the s***t out of you.if you want power do the cam but also try to install a supercharger/turbocharger or better yet go with a v8 swap.<hr></blockquote>

so who's this joe guy? anyway, turbo/SC is in the future, but i want to do this first. i did do a damn search, i said that in my original post, ive been combing all the sites i can reading about this stuff, your opinion is noted, but dont assume, ask.

[Timbo1969]

1. What pushrods? Comp Cams or Intense oil restricitve
2. SLP Rockers? yes or no? I would suggest no. The lift on the cam would go up to .591 or higher with those rockers, which would mean mega headwork, as they need to be milled .20 with the existing lift. If I were to do rockers I'd use the ZZP ER rockers, especially if I was spraying as they are split ratio favoring exhaust.
3. Other head parts needed, retainers, keepers, etc? Springs, retainers, the Comp Cams Hydraulic rollers would help too. Also you would need a Converter, and PCM tuning. Digital Horsepower does this for like $300 I believe. Get a Cam install Kit, and MLS head gaskets.

These are my suggestions..

[99redcamaro]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by firebird1:


so who's this joe guy? anyway, turbo/SC is in the future, but i want to do this first. i did do a damn search, i said that in my original post, ive been combing all the sites i can reading about this stuff, your opinion is noted, but dont assume, ask.<hr></blockquote>

yeah i was asking myself about this joe guy too [img]smile.gif[/img] why did i wrote joe???? sorry for that ok.
and also i didn't want to appear like i was the inteligent guy telling you to use the search buttom, sorry for that too.

i've asked about this many times before. look for my posts here asking for cams. everyone seems to have a different one, but nobody knows for sure which one is the better. we are still researching for this. if you did that search you probably found that most of the guys here ran into problems after the cam install.ses lights on, ticks tacks, weird sounds, etc.
using that search i found that the best performance/reliable cam you can use is the gt one even though it would set the p0300 code.so i wanted more that that,i could sacrifice a little bit of performance becuase i didn't want to get any ses light and i wanted to pass california smog check so i got a comp cam, you can read the specs on my sig. is a little one,bigger than the stock one though, and it was exactly what i wanted.

follow the link i told you before and give those guys a call, they would be happy to tell you what you need to acomplish the job.

good luck

[OneQuickV6]

99redcamaro...no harm intended, and I know that I'm not the fastest. But why discourage anyone from doing heads/cam, headers, etc when you yourself have most of it done? Sure, swapping to an LS1 would be great, but this is a V6 site and most people here want to make their V6 faster, not trade engines. My car has only one SES light, and it's from a bad O2 sensor I got and installed when I did my headers, no misfire codes or others. Sorry if I came off wrong, I am just here to help out the V6 community [img]smile.gif[/img]

[99redcamaro]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by OneQuickV6:
99redcamaro...no harm intended, and I know that I'm not the fastest. But why discourage anyone from doing heads/cam, headers, etc when you yourself have most of it done? Sure, swapping to an LS1 would be great, but this is a V6 site and most people here want to make their V6 faster, not trade engines. My car has only one SES light, and it's from a bad O2 sensor I got and installed when I did my headers, no misfire codes or others. Sorry if I came off wrong, I am just here to help out the V6 community [img]smile.gif[/img] <hr></blockquote>


no man no problem i didn't want to harm anyone also. sorry if i did show up an attitude or something cause as i said before i was giving an honest opinion. that was it [img]smile.gif[/img] , and yes i've done a lot with my car, but also i've paid a lot for it. i'm not trying to discourage anyone here, i was even showing the options we have besides the cam like nitro/supercharger/turbocharger and also a V8 swap. anything to have a faster V6. is it expensive??? yes. Is it worth it, Absolutely, is priceless to see people ask you "is it that a V6??" and you go "YES it is"

[firebird1]

ill look into digital performance for possible tuning, but i dont think ill need it. new converter is going in as well as some new tranny parts..
and i have to apologize for the crap i said in my earlier post, [img]graemlins/fluffy.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/fluffy.gif[/img]

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ok so whats this "as they need to be milled .20 with the existing lift." no one said anything about this yet?

intense pushrods is a go,(oil restrictive or should i just get the OE "R" lifters ones from comp cam and light weight rods?). see any need for titanium retainers, keepers(what are these)?
gonna go with LS6 springs, or these good to .625 lift http://www.intense-racing.com/Mercha...egory_Code=HCV

im hiring for a personal shopper this winter, if anyone's interested :D :D

[ October 31, 2003: Message edited by: firebird1 ]</p>