supersix or straight up cam swap?

[FuryCharger]

i was planning on purchasing the powerpak but now im hearing all this about its not worth it and a cam swap would be just as effective. what do u guys suggest i do? powerpak or a cam and maybe a valvetrain rebuild?

[Magnus]

If you want all out NA performance you'll need a set of heads.

If you just want some more power at a more affordable price, than a cam only may be what you want.

[Ryan94V6]

A cam without no headwork would be worthless to me , but thats my opinion. The supersix powerpack with heads/cam/intakes would definetly give you a more hp gain.

[slomaro]

hrmm 20-30hp easy with just a cam is worthless? for a little over 300 bucks

you dont know **** shut the **** up

[Ryan94V6]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by slomaro:
hrmm 20-30hp easy with just a cam is worthless? for a little over 300 bucks

you dont know **** shut the **** up<hr></blockquote>

Now,lets not act out of hand here.If you read my post then you will see that it say that its "MY OPINION".

[slomaro]

tell me what other mod besides a nitrous kit will give you 20-30 hp for 3-400 dollars

NOTHING not a thing hell a converter cost more money then a cam swap and most people dont understand how easy a cam swap is

actlly unless your gonna get a big ol cam with lift above .500 then then there is no reason really to get p&p heads if your just looking to pick up 20-30 hp not everyone wants a race car.

if you do a heads and cam install it will cost you over 1K easy

300 cam
150 spring
retainers
bolts and gaskets 150 - 200
p&p heads 200 or so if you do them your self and get a 3 angle valave job done on them or 800 if you dont wanna bother with heads


hrmmmm and if you put a big cam in you gotta get you pcm programed or its not really worth it and if you have an auto then a converter it adds up fast


a simple GT cam is good for at min 20 hp should put an auto even in the 200 rwhp range

hell ironman24 installed a pussy little reground cam and layed down 220 n/a rwhp with his manual so to say a cam is not worth it is BS iromans cam is a weak cam with not even .450 lift you can go to .500 on stock heads before it really tapers off

[FuryCharger]

in that case, would getting the heads with the 3 angle valve job from supersix, not touch the manifolds and get a fairly larger cam from some other vendor be a decently good approach? or should i do it all thru Tom

[Ryan94V6]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by slomaro:
tell me what other mod besides a nitrous kit will give you 20-30 hp for 3-400 dollars

NOTHING not a thing hell a converter cost more money then a cam swap and most people dont understand how easy a cam swap is

actlly unless your gonna get a big ol cam with lift above .500 then then there is no reason really to get p&p heads if your just looking to pick up 20-30 hp not everyone wants a race car.

if you do a heads and cam install it will cost you over 1K easy

300 cam
150 spring
retainers
bolts and gaskets 150 - 200
p&p heads 200 or so if you do them your self and get a 3 angle valave job done on them or 800 if you dont wanna bother with heads


hrmmmm and if you put a big cam in you gotta get you pcm programed or its not really worth it and if you have an auto then a converter it adds up fast


a simple GT cam is good for at min 20 hp should put an auto even in the 200 rwhp range

hell ironman24 installed a pussy little reground cam and layed down 220 n/a rwhp with his manual so to say a cam is not worth it is BS iromans cam is a weak cam with not even .450 lift you can go to .500 on stock heads before it really tapers off<hr></blockquote>

Damn, I really didnt know that, ive alway thought on not too big cams .You can probly say I dont have the biggest cam in the world(powermax 2030 204/214 109 LSA .451/.451 lift with 1.6 gold series rockers) but hoping I can get some pretty good power out of it . I always guessed my cam would only produce 15 hp at most but what would you think?

[cero]

where are you guys getting 300 for a cam? is that cam and install, or just cam, im looking into a cam and ammp has them for like $180, and the cheepest cam install i have found is like 500 so if that the 300 is for both, i want to see where you guys are getting your work done at

[Ryan94V6]

I didnt say anything about a cam being 300 dollars.Your cam is about a right price from what ive seen.Oh and 500 dollars is about right for a cam install.

[Ryan94V6]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by FuryCharger:
in that case, would getting the heads with the 3 angle valve job from supersix, not touch the manifolds and get a fairly larger cam from some other vendor be a decently good approach? or should i do it all thru Tom<hr></blockquote>

The way im going is not through Tom but dont get me wrong,Tom knows excactly what he's doing and what he talks about.Im going a much cheaper route to a mechanic I know that owns half of a machine shop and also knows excactly what he's doing .Im having my heads ported with a 3 angle valve job with my intakes ported and polished as the same with my throttle body , and he's also installing a cam. He's installing much more but its just a long list and I dont feel like typing it all out.

[Brandon H]

what cam can you put in and still pass emmissions test? i was thinking of just putting the intese 1.9 rocker arms on to increase the lift of the stock cam. but it is more expensive $350 than a cam but it is easier to install. what is better to do for power and emmissions i need to drive the car so i dont want to have any probs. thans.

[nino]

morons,
why dont you listen to magnus? you need head work! or just be lazy and cheap and just get the cam.

[Arctc Wolf]

ok, figure a good Tc for about 450, and install for about 400. a cam will usually require springs as well, so about 300 for a comp cam, and 150 for springs. plus u need gaskets for 150, and labor for about 400 as well. heads from super six are 500, plus about 200 for the intakes, and labor is about 200.

Totals:
TC: 850
Cam: 1000
Heads/Intakes: 900

cam will get u the most hp, heads will get u set for an even bigger cam in the future, and TC is off the subject, but somebody else mentioned it earlier.

[AlienInv8r]

Couldn't you just buy part of the powerpack (heads/intake) and then buy a custom grind comp cam or something?? I'm not expert by any means, but I know there are some ssm heads for sale in the for sale section (there were a little while ago though, they could still be there) and then buy a nice custom cam? Is the question more of what's the best way to go for more N/A power with money as no object, or what is the best bang for the buck engine mod?