supercharge v6 or swap ls1

[Kris Burns]

Let me put it this way I loved my v6 I was planning on doing everything to it until we did a heads and cam swap on my friends 99 Z28 [img]graemlins/omg.gif[/img] does that car haul *** plus another one of my friends 98 Z28 with 100,000+ miles 3.73's airlid, and a wet 100 shot on drag radials 11.834 at 120+.
So I'm now in the process of trying to get a loan for complete ls1 with 13,000 miles on it with everything needed for the swap for $2800.00

[Timbo1969]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Magnus:
I dont' see V6 bashign here, just reality and truth...

If you want a V6, and can't afford the LS1 swap or insurance then the V6 is what you are just going to live with.

If you CAN afford the V8 and insurance, then WHY stick with the V6 if you WANT a V8?

V8 out performs and out sounds the V6 in EVERY aspect.<hr></blockquote> I concur

[img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img]

[RedAudiomobile]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Magnus:

V8 out performs and out sounds the V6 in EVERY aspect.<hr></blockquote>

Does a V-8 outperform, and sound better than a supercharged V-6?

There are a whole hell of a lot of V-8's out there, not to many supercharged/turbocharged V-6 f-bodies. Something to think about.

And in the end, if you do a LS1 swap to a V-6, you just have another V-8, not something unique.

Just my opinion, and obviously I am biased.

[Magnus]

A V8 does out perform and does sound better than a SC'd 6.

Just fyi... I dropped the ls1 into my car with a BONE STOCK JUNKYARD engine/tranny... only mods I did was remove EGR/A/C/AiR pump.. and ran 12.4@112.

If uniqueness is your thing, hey that's great. If you want a show car, yay for you.

If you want raw power and a mean *** sounding car, then V8 is your only choice. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[Timbo1969]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Magnus:
A V8 does out perform and does sound better than a SC'd 6.

Just fyi... I dropped the ls1 into my car with a BONE STOCK JUNKYARD engine/tranny... only mods I did was remove EGR/A/C/AiR pump.. and ran 12.4@112.

If uniqueness is your thing, hey that's great. If you want a show car, yay for you.

If you want raw power and a mean *** sounding car, then V8 is your only choice. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] <hr></blockquote> Again I concur

[img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] LS1 or a SC'd L36 hmmm No question the V8 is the winner Hands Down.. [img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img] Besides an LS1 isn't going to breakdown near as much..

[elvis89fb]

ok now you have all had your fill of the kill but hear is the truth no bias, my ist car was a ford touring torino v8, 2nd car was honda v4,, 3rd car was a camaro 1984 with stock slightly modified 2.8 v6 and kept it til i decided at 898,000 original miles i needed to address the obvious that my engine could not live forever, detroit had what was a hi miler file on the car and i would send them copies of all work orders, they were very impressed, i had heard that they would claim the engine at 1million miles and give you a new one in trade but they dicontinued that program, i had never had the heads off so i traded it out for labor when i bought a new 3.4 upgrade, that 2.8 v6 is still running in another car the mechanic is driveing with no problems, well with 50 miles on the new engine i cracked her up, didnt hurt the engine, i found a 89 rs and have installed that the 3.4 with all the other stuff from the 84, everything bolted right in so reliable, cheaper, and now im out to make it the fastest v6 i can , let me tell you i have won alot of awards at car shows not to mention even money and sponsorship, and everyone thinks its a v8 when i pull up and rev the engine , people like when a v6 is suped up , with a v8 its a no brainer anyone can make a v8 fast, but it takes work to create a fast v6, some real enginering, some real effort, brain work, so do what you want but everyone will be proud of you and the work put into your v6, they are strong hardy engines and are cheaper to refuel .......there you have it do what you want

[RedAudiomobile]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Magnus:
A V8 does out perform and does sound better than a SC'd 6.

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How could you possibly know that a stock(if thats what your implying)V-8 will outperform every supercharged V-6?

I will have to get a sound clip of my car, because I can't describe the sound.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Magnus:

If you want raw power and a mean *** sounding car, then V8 is your only choice. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] <hr></blockquote>

I dont CONCUR with this statement. This boosted car I have is more fun to drive then my old LT1. It is more exciting to drive.

V-8 is the easy way out! Anyone can make the power with a V-8.

No one cares about a LS1 that turns 12.4 (EDIT: Not meant against you)

If a 6 does that, people will be impressed [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[ October 03, 2003: Message edited by: RedAudiomobile ]</p>

[RedAudiomobile]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Timbo1969:
Again I concur

[img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] LS1 or a SC'd L36 hmmm No question the V8 is the winner Hands Down.. [img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img] Besides an LS1 isn't going to breakdown near as much..<hr></blockquote>

Have you ever driven either of the cars you are giving your opinion on?

[Timbo1969]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by RedAudiomobile:


Have you ever driven either of the cars you are giving your opinion on?<hr></blockquote> I have driven a 2000 Ram Air T/A and a 1999 Fire hawk. I have yet to drive a SC'd L36, I have however driving a modified GTP, and my opinion is for the money a V8 is a much better option, and a lot less headache.

[98v6]

i'm gonna get my bird paid off, toy with it to keep myself pacified, nothing serious... but then when it gets paid off i'll sell it for bout 2k$ less than the t/a's are going for at that time and get me an LS1 and liability insurance!

[lord_gufi]

or if your tire of the car period like I became ( every f-body Ive had has broken to a thousand dollor effect ) Junk it and buy a car that came Turbo charged stock. Those types of engines have an aftermarket.

Or get a v8 Hella nice sound, Hella torque. Overall Much more potential than a stock boosted engine. just costs more than 30$ for a boost controler :D

[nino]

i can understand keeping your V6 forever if it was a nice show car and you drove it only on weekends, but keeeping a daily driver because it was the first car to pop your cherry is just ridiculous.
and you show me one person at the track who doesnt appreciate seeing a V8 do 12.4 at the track. if nobody appreciates that 12.4 - they dont belong at the track.
and to say those who have done swaps only have come out with a "stock Z28." what horseshlt is that!?!?! thats like the best mod ever! my V6 turned into a fire breathing 300+ HP monster just waiting to be let loose. imagine those guys at the track that once saw me do 15s and now i am doing 13s and soon i'll be doing 12s. as for calling it a stock Z28, i guess all i have to do is throw on a spoiler and you can say i ended up with a super sport.

[CamaroRS9738]

In terms of which is more practical the v8 is cost-wise. If you feel like being unique, then mod a 6 like we all are doing, however the results will never be the same, we all know that modded v8 &gt; modded v6. Some of us can't afford an 8 though, so we have a six. IF you don't race, maybe you don't really need an 8, the six has an undeniable amount of power, think about what else is on the street - hondas, toyotas, saturns, blah blah blah. WE HAVE A CAR THAT TURNS HEADS....no matter what's under the hood, it's still a Camaro, and god belss it, one of the best cars to ever be produced. What a classic...

[Deuce Bigs]

come on people this should be a simple thing. just tell him the cost of his plans and the pros and cons

these are facts:
- mod for mod the v8 will ALWAYS be faster.
- if you do the basic supercharger kit you'll be about on par with a stock ls1(probably more like lt1). don't try and fool yourself.
- sound is relative. most like the sound of a V8 more(me included) some like the sound of a supercharged six more but that's just an opinion.
- a supercharger and an engine swap are going to be about the same cost if you get a junkyard engine.
- more displacement = more potential for the v8.
- a 6 in the 12's is a lot more unique than an 8.
- unique is expensive.
- if you're stubborn(like me) and just want to mod the 6 there is a GTP in the 10's and lot's in the 11's and 12's and there is a GP GT in the 11's with stock bottom end and supercharger. so the 6 is a stout engine to start with so don't worry.
- a v8 swap may be the best thing one person does but it may not be the best thing for you.
- (not a fact)engine swaps can be a pain down the road because somewhere in the whole process something had to be rigged or something you didn't want to take the time on doing right was done and later on when things break it's a PITA to track down(i.e. electrical).

that's all i can think of right now others that have facts please add in.

[ October 09, 2003: Message edited by: Deuce Bigs ]</p>

[Magnus]

excellent points.

ALso, with a V8 you'd be making more power more of the time.. thus you put your drivetrain in greater risk of breaking.. its more exensive down the road to own a more powerful setup, especially if you drive it hard.

It could be costly as well to own a blown 6 down the road. A blown 6 would put more stress on engine components would than an NA 8.

With a blown 6 you'll have a lot of new stuff in your engine bay which may make it harder to work on. Things get more complicated.

With an NA V8 things are pretty simple and basic.

It's pretty easy to get an LS1 into the 11's NA, not so easy to get a V6 into the 12's or 11's.

An NA V8 should feel faster from a roll than a blown 6. A stock 8 may feel the same as a SC'd V6, however, a few mods to that 8 and you'll pick up power quickly.

Mods for the 8 cost much more than the 6 and add up quickly.