Need some advice on ZZP 4.1 liter stroker engine

[Zooomer]

Do you guys think we would be better selling short blocks only. This way knowing they were done right, would always dyno high and being able to offer a better warranty on parts. OR

Should we sell a kit which would allow you to make your engine into a 4.1 liter for 1/2 the price of the shortblock. This would perhaps get more sales but maybe cause problems if someone built the engine wrong and then trashed us on the boards. Another problem might be if someone did a poor job on the engine but it still worked and then they only dyno'd like 200WHP or something.

Should we sell one or the other or both? What kind of warranty and/or instructions should people expect? Basically I'm trying to get some ideas from you guys since you've always been vocal in the past, helping out when you can.

[John_D.]

I'm thinking both.

Even if you did just the short block, somebody could still go poking around in it and foul something up.

And by offering both, you cover both the more value-conscious group, and the group that is somewhat technically inclined but maybe doesn't have the time or the confidence to go all the way with a kit only...

Warranty - hard to say... Some rebuilders offer a limited warranty, but exclude racing. (how would you know?) Some have no written warranty but have the reputation and good will to make things right if the situation was questionable.

Instructions. As far as basic assembly, that should be covered by any repair/rebuild manual. If something special is needed as far as tuning, modifications, etc, then that should definitely be included.

[ravenp]

I would like to see both. Living in Canada, there's no way i'm going to buy a shortblock to ship accross the border, but i'd likely be all over a stroker kit [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

You have a reputable setup going... if you published dyno numbers from a shortblock install and from a stroker kit install on comparable cars and advertised them as 'the gains you saw' or something like that, include a waiver...you should be good to go.

Thanks for doing this!

[cammed3800]

Approx. how man hp would the stroker kit give us? what all comes with the stroker kit? now as far as the shortblock, what is provided? any prices yet

[Timbo1969]

Both would be your best option. If someone can't build it right it's not your fault. Personally I'd take my car and the kit to a professional and have it done, that way I know it's done right the 1st time, as I don't have a lot of experience on the inside of an engine block. A kit of that type should definitely come with a recommended professional install. But other than that both will make you more $$. Just my .02

[staticpike]

I would say both.

This way you have an open market to both those who are the true "do-it-yourselfers" and those who are more satisfied with someone else doing the particulars.

The warranty could always be seperated between the 2 packages as well. Offer your build warranty on the built small blocks and a limited one on the kits.

I wouldn't think doing two options would be much more difficult than doing only one.

[Bluebird]

Agreed. Do Both.
I will be a buyer for the 3.8L --> 4.1L Stroker Kit!
:cool:

[Arctc Wolf]

I'd say both, since some people will be anal about making sure the engine is built to proper specs w/ the right components, however, there are also those out there who would just like to be able to throw in a crank, rods, and pistons and call it a day. I know u guys won't be producing these in large quantities, so doing both will ensure a higher probability of purchase. u guys already sell race-prepped blocks, so I doubt it'll be hard to take it a step further by incorporating the stroker kit into one of those.

Oh, and will the stroker kit be incorporated with the forced induction block? Could the pistons be swapped out for ones w/ stock L36 or L67 compressions? That option would open it up even more.

[ December 09, 2003: Message edited by: Arctc Wolf ]</p>

[snatch]

Corner the market and build them both.

[Ian]

do both, but im sure that when people saw the money they saved on building it themselves, youd sell more of the kits, and not the shortblocks.


warranties? dunno. like John_D said, you can have a warranty that excludes racing, but seriously, if you go from a 3.8 to 4.1, you know people are gonna race it.

[AraileyV06]

I say go both! But i would go for the stroker kit myself.

[Tiago]

humm, stroker, turbo v6 fbody :eek: [img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img]

[cammed3800]

It looks like intense already has a shortblock available, i say go for the stroker. They also want 4000.00 for a shortblock, anyone who would pay that is crazy, you could definately get a low mileage ls1 [img]smile.gif[/img]

[12secondv6]

Zoomer....... I LOVE the 4.1L storker kit!

I REALLY want this!

I would figure stages.....

Offer a built bottom end version 3.8

Maybe a 4.1L stroker kit (for the hard core nuts like me)

Warranty.... I'm building the car for speed and beating the hell out of it... I don't expect a warranty but it sure is nice.

I understand if I bought a partial kit and had a local shop build it up from there/ port things then my 'warranty' would be affected.

How was tuning with this engine?

I'm not afraid of DFI or a FAST system

Zoomer, I have tried to e mail you many times but my e mail gets rejected. I do have some questions: tuning, is the power adder version available and obviously cost

[ December 11, 2003: Message edited by: 12secondv6 ]</p>

[RGR]

Do both, I do similar work for V6 Mustangs
and I've done some of each so far. Just
do it right and make sure your customer
is capable of building it or gets a good
shop to do it for them. I had a guy not
check clearance on the oil pickup tube,
of course he questioned me first, but then
figured out his mistake.

Then again I basically started the V6 Mustang
movement, first to offer ported heads and intakes
for the EFI kits and a founding father of the
biggest V6Mustang site on the web.

Be careful, but meticulous at the same time and
it will work out!