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**Seppo Kaitainen** · 10-18-2002, 09:11 PM

Ironman24's still running the stock valvetrain. If anything I think staying under the max .500 lift is why he has not had issues like magnus and others.

At some pt I am going with the same or a similar cam. Maybe a tad bit milder like 206 210 113ls.

I've heard the car may times. It sounds pretty mean at idle and under normal driving. It has a good lope to it at idle.

He'll probably be able to answer in more detail, though.

**AZ3.8Camaro** · 10-18-2002, 09:18 PM

Cool, I just found a clip of it after a LOT of searching. It sounds good!!!!!!! Now, heres the question, would I stand to loose anything by tightening up the split duration a little? I think it would make it a little less choppy, but If it looses too much performance, i wont do it. I like magnus' cam a lot, but its just to much work for me! I respect him for doing that though, thats a mean mother f-er for sure. I just am too cheap to replace the valvetrain. Also I will be using the juicy juice, so I really liked his gain with that cam and n2o. I just want to be sure and get whats best for my car with my budget.

[ October 21, 2002: Message edited by: AZ3.8Camaro ]

**pgriffith** · 10-19-2002, 12:17 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr>Originally posted by AZ3.8Camaro:
Cool, I just found a clip of it after a LOT of searching. It sounds good!!!!!!! Now, heres the question, would I stand to loose anything by tightening up the split duration a little? I think it would make it a little less choppy, but If it looses to much performance, i will do it anyways. I like magnus' cam a lot, but its just to much work for me! I respect him for doing that though, thats a mean mother f-er for sure. I just am too cheap to replace the valvetrain. Also I will be using the juicy juice, so I really liked his gain with that cam and n2o. I just want to be sure and get whats best for my car with my budget.<hr></blockquote>

Whats your budget?

Springs arent that expensive. You should really pick some up. It will give you alot more options for cams. I would not recomend Ironman's cam. His cam is a regrind. I also have a CROWER regrind. I hate it. Its the whimpiest cam ever. ITs only temporary until compcam's gets cores. They are currently on backorder. Dont go with a pussy cam you will regret it.

**AZ3.8Camaro** · 10-19-2002, 09:17 AM

it didn't sound to weenie. He gained a lot of the n2o as well. I don't know then. How much for springs and retainers?

**pgriffith** · 10-19-2002, 12:35 PM

I never said Ironman's cam is weenie i said mine is. We have completly different grinds.

**jonny985** · 10-20-2002, 02:16 PM

I would be all over Ironman's regrind specs if it didn't cost so much.

It costs more than a grind from a fresh core, but it is nice that it only sports .45 lift and can use the stock valvetrain.

I believe that the only person that can give you that precise of a grind is Tom from SSM. Crower can't go that agressive if contacted directly from what I hear from pgriffith.

So in comparison, its $340 for that regrind and about $300 for a new grind on a fresh core.

But with an agressive cam from COMP you need springs/pushrods/possible headwork and whatever else so it adds up quickly.

[ October 21, 2002: Message edited by: jonny985 ]

**pgriffith** · 10-20-2002, 04:46 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr>Originally posted by jonny985:
I would be all over Ironman's regrind specs if it didn't cost so much.

It costs more than a grind from a fresh core, but it is nice that it only sports .45 lift and can use the stock valvetrain.

I believe that the only person that can give you that precise of a grind is Tom from SSM. Crower can go that agressive from what I hear from pgriffith.

So in comparison, its $340 for that regrind and about $300 for a new grind on a fresh core.

But with an agressive cam from COMP you need springs/pushrods/possible headwork and whatever else so it adds up quickly.<hr></blockquote>

You also need pushrod's with a cam you would get from TOM at SSM. The cam's Tom sells are CROWER regrinds. I ordered directly through CROWER and didnt go through SSM and I think thats how it got screwed up.

**AZ3.8Camaro** · 10-21-2002, 10:15 AM

SO I could get a new core made to the same specs as ironmans right? Then I could keep the same valvetrain? Magnus - If you read this, how much did you pay for your valvetrain? I don't want to be too cheap and dissapointed, I will wait and buy what I need, but I am looking for bang for the buck, you know? Magnus probably has the best, but most expensive, setup. If ironman's works well, then I think it would be a good deal.
Magnus' Cam or Ironmans Cam.. that is the question.....
Where is Ironman anyway??

**jonny985** · 10-21-2002, 10:43 AM

I don't think that COMP can go with that low of a lift. You could probably go with lower ratio rocker arms to acheive that, that would cost too.

Here is the list of lobes that Magnus and other choose from from COMP

**Dominic** · 10-21-2002, 11:07 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr>Originally posted by jonny985:
I don't think that COMP can go with that low of a lift. You could probably go with lower ratio rocker arms to acheive that, that would cost too.

Here is the list of lobes that Magnus and other choose from from COMP<hr></blockquote>

Thats correct - comp can't grind an xtreme energy that low and keep the duration supposedly, so you must "tune" the lift with a rocker arm ratio of your choice. Honestly you won't lose anything running 1.6:1 though :D

**Magnus** · 10-21-2002, 11:23 AM

My setup isn't the best imho.. My valve springs suck *** ...

And just again, fyi the mp3 you guys heard isn't how rough the car normally is.. that was with a huge vacuum leak.. Its much smoother normall. [img]smile.gif[/img]

CC 918 valve springs shoul be around $175 and pushrods should be about $100... that should be all you need to run a faster ramping cam..

If your going to run .520'ish lift or higher.. you might need to get your valve seal pedastales milled down to prevent the seals from being crushed.

**pgriffith** · 10-21-2002, 12:02 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr>Originally posted by Magnus:

If your going to run .520'ish lift or higher.. you might need to get your valve seal pedastales milled down to prevent the seals from being crushed.<hr></blockquote>

What does the pedastale look like? Is it the one the rockers sit on?

**Magnus** · 10-21-2002, 12:37 PM

the shaft that the valve stem sticks out of and the valve seal sits on.

**AZ3.8Camaro** · 10-21-2002, 01:45 PM

Whats the highest lift you could go and not have to mill the pedastales? If I stick to stock rockers and better springs and pushrods? Magnus, I know that your car isn't normally that rough at idle, but heres probably the important question: Do you think your knock problem was caused by the cam? Man this is turning into a good thread!

Also nice new times Magnus! [img]graemlins/omg.gif[/img]
ME-------> [img]smile.gif[/img]
MAGNUS---> [img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img]

[ October 21, 2002: Message edited by: AZ3.8Camaro ]

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