let's get advanced about RAM-AIR.

[navyblue2000]

At first, you might think that this is not a very advanced topic. and it might not be. BUT, anyhow, I decided to see just how well the fast toys ram air system works.

Truth is, it doesn't see to work. AT ALL. the first thing that tipped me off to this was I've seen virtually NO improvement in neither ET or MPH at the track over the Free Ram air.

I decided I'd try and see just how well this thing works. First off, the car needs a source of air to breath. If you put your hand halfway over the throttle body, it will kill the engine.
Well, to see how much of a sealed system it was, I 3 ply duct taped the slot for the induction, put the lid back on, started to my suprise without any problem. I figured it might be something letting the air in thru a small crack. SO, i sealed the outside of the airbox, and it ran JUST FINE. my question is, WHERE am I getting air from?! the slot is taped off, the airbox is taped off from the outside, NO visible areas where air can get in. I just don't understand how my car can still breathe.

any ideas? discuss.

[97rs4life]

we have had multiple discussions on this already, do a search, and check them out

[merlinsrealm]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by 97rs4life:
we have had multiple discussions on this already, do a search, and check them out<hr></blockquote>


LOL oh thats funny...A newbie telling the Mod to do a search........

Anyways...you are absolutely right...not only is there no change but it sits right in from of the condenser and radiator which is blocking much needed air.

[Messi4h]

uhh..I dunno bout u guys but I felt a HUGE improvement with this thing at speeds of around...50 and up? Wait till the weather gets colder and you should see even more gains. It isnt very good in hot summer weather lol

[AlienInv8r]

Messi4h - Had you done the free ram air prior to that though? I think NB2k's point was that there's no difference between free ram air and buying one of the systems. Why spend $150 for a system when you can get the exact same gains for free. I planned on buying one, until I heard everyone's reviews about !fra being just as good, saved myself some cash there.
Is it possible that the air condensor or radiator that's beneath the airbox actually reflects some air into the box? Even though it's not a solid wall like the kits, maybe it's still diverting the air enough to feed the engine more air

[ September 19, 2003: Message edited by: AlienInv8r ]</p>

[MrCoffee]

how can you say is doesnt work? Tell that to my air filter that has rectangles directly above where the FTRA is. I turned my filter, and a month later there were dark bands.
I cleaned my K&N, and I still have bands.

[Dominic]

I simply raised my airbox.

Doing any sort of underlid ramair = reduces the air pressure through the radiator = bad.

Also, it nasties the filter for literally no gain.

Yeah, ok, so you sealed off the airbox, its still not "pressurizing". You're not increasing the static air pressure, you're just increasing the air velocity... dynamic pressure, which will not force itself into the airbox or through the filter.

Ram air = false idea.

Cold air = yeah, maybe a better idea sortof...

Free Flowing Intake = a good idea.

[MrCoffee]

no matter what is done to the airbox I still think there's a limit to it. I feel the whole air boz assembly is too restrictive. Those who are lucky enough to get simple cone filer setup will see better gains then us. However, with that said, FTRA still benifits us.

[navyblue2000]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by MrCoffee:
how can you say is doesnt work? Tell that to my air filter that has rectangles directly above where the FTRA is. I turned my filter, and a month later there were dark bands.
I cleaned my K&N, and I still have bands.<hr></blockquote>

i didn't say it simply 'doesn't work' :rolleyes: air gets into the car still, does it not? it's not RAM AIR though.

what I said was, it's not working any better than the FRA did. yes, my filter gets dirty too. VERY dirty.

[ September 22, 2003: Message edited by: navyblue2000 ]</p>

[jc Kyle]

so.. what would you guys recommend, cai or fra?

[navyblue2000]

i for one, will let you know my R&D's opinion at the end of next week.

[ September 22, 2003: Message edited by: navyblue2000 ]</p>

[pvtschultz]

Dominic hit it all on the head.

For those of you that noticed, I have been away for quite a while...that is those of you that were probably sick of reading my posts, but money is almost non-existant in my life, so no internet for me.

Ram air is a selling campaign, and that is it. Plus it looks cool. Cold air, again a good thought, but look where the air is picked up, and least on the 93-97 cars, it is cold. Free flowing is where the benefits are, and that is where the extra power came from on the Ram-air packages. A straight shot at the TB.

You are better off buying a cold air package, or ram air package due to the nicely radiused bends and larger plumbing, both reduce overal losses during fluid flow.

That is all that I'll bore you with. Bernoulli did the rest for me.

[MrCoffee]

it provides the oppurtunity for more air. The proof is on the filter. if dirty air wasnt moving up and through it then there wouldnt be more dirt. All I'll give you is that its not a good setup. but it helps, and its all we 00+ people got.

[Messi4h]

I actually made a post a LONG time ago on my old user name comparing the free ram air mod to the FTRA...lemme see if I can find it

[Messi4h]

http://www.camarov6.com/cgi-bin/ulti...&f=25&t=003015

there it is