Tuner

[JWC]

Does anyone have any info on tuning computers for a '97 3800 v6? I've looked all over the web, and I have not been able to find a comp chip, or a power programer. Any suggestions?

[chadder]

um, i think you can get HPtuners or DHP, there is a thread about it in the General section http://www.camarov6.com/ubb/ultimate...c;f=1;t=014372 , search and you will find many answers to your questions

[AllTheGoodNamesAreGone]

yepp.. what the chadder said..

www.hptuners.com

check out the forum.. its a little more expensive then DHP but it has alot more to offer..

[1DangerousV6]

i personally use HP Tuners..$500 is a little pricey..but you can basically do ANYTHING

[AllTheGoodNamesAreGone]

WTF.. is there and echo in here??

and What happend to the advanced tech moderator??

this and the valve cover threads are really at best general tech..

[1DangerousV6]

if you're referring to my post..i was just posting my opinion on the tuner i personally use..if i was in the market for one i'd like to hear from as many people as possible about the price..which to go with..if its worth it..how good the functionality is..etc..its ok man..let it go..

[Jerriko]

Originally posted by AllTheGoodNamesAreGone:
yepp.. what the chadder said..

www.hptuners.com

check out the forum.. its a little more expensive then DHP but it has alot more to offer..

Unfortunately you are only half right. HPTuners is more expensive than DHP but HP doesn't have a lot more to offer over DHP.

[AllTheGoodNamesAreGone]

Originally posted by Jerriko:
Unfortunately you are only half right. HPTuners is more expensive than DHP but HP doesn't have a lot more to offer over DHP.

:rolleyes:

Tell me ONE usefull feature that DHP has over HPTuners and I will switch today.

Note the keyword "usefull"

DHP was dissapointing when I first saw it on a friends GTP. Its was like ls1 edit for v6's which is crap.

Not trying to start a debate here. But $100 isent something to be worrying about when you are buying something that can make or break your tune..

[97rs4life]

Originally posted by AllTheGoodNamesAreGone:
WTF.. is there and echo in here??

and What happend to the advanced tech moderator??

this and the valve cover threads are really at best general tech..

I think he means that this should be in general instead of advanced.

[T-Punk]

looking over the new systems from each tuner i seems that they have pretty much the same features (as in neither is better). also for the preorder price of i think 325 dhp has my vote.

[RedFrk13]

Originally posted by AllTheGoodNamesAreGone:
Tell me ONE usefull feature that DHP has over HPTuners and I will switch today.

Note the keyword "usefull"

DHP was dissapointing when I first saw it on a friends GTP. Its was like ls1 edit for v6's which is crap.

Not trying to start a debate here. But $100 isent something to be worrying about when you are buying something that can make or break your tune..

He didnt say DHP has more usefull features. He was saying they do the same things.

I think they both are great and accomplish what they are suppose to. They edit close to the same amount of parameters and have a scanner built in. Hp tuners has a flashier appearance and has a built in flash protection which I think is a good feature. DHP has a better price and I trust them more with help tuning a 3800 since they have been selling tuned computers for them for years. I think their tuners appearance will get better with more time, but thats not the important part anyway.

Either way, you cant go wrong and should be very glad we have an option for DIY tuning let alone 2 option. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[AllTheGoodNamesAreGone]

ok..

well here is my main gripe about DHP..

their scanner side of the program is JUNK.. its probably one of the worst i have ever seen..

and belive it or not.. its just as critical as the flasher it self..

they both can or will do the same thing.. however the scanner and all the usefull tools, utilities, histograms, datalogging, outputs ect ect.. are what really make HPT superior..

and if you are gunna go FI hpt will soon have full support for larger map sensors and with that comes much larger and higher resolution maps for everything.. and thats pretty much the only good way to go about running a real standalone (no fmu no spark box) tune on an FI camaro.. it also simplifies speed density tuning..

DHP is a "ok" product at best.. they simply arnt leaders..

dont belive that silly comparison table on their site either.. currently, and more so when 1.6 come out (next week i belive) it is horribly innacurate..

HOWEVER! I am glad they are in the market.. and trying.. is promotes price competition and innovation.. and keeps HPT on their toe and ahead of the game IMHO..

[Jerriko]

Originally posted by AllTheGoodNamesAreGone:
ok..

well here is my main gripe about DHP..

their scanner side of the program is JUNK.. its probably one of the worst i have ever seen..

and belive it or not.. its just as critical as the flasher it self..

they both can or will do the same thing.. however the scanner and all the usefull tools, utilities, histograms, datalogging, outputs ect ect.. are what really make HPT superior..

and if you are gunna go FI hpt will soon have full support for larger map sensors and with that comes much larger and higher resolution maps for everything.. and thats pretty much the only good way to go about running a real standalone (no fmu no spark box) tune on an FI camaro.. it also simplifies speed density tuning..

DHP is a "ok" product at best.. they simply arnt leaders..

dont belive that silly comparison table on their site either.. currently, and more so when 1.6 come out (next week i belive) it is horribly innacurate..

HOWEVER! I am glad they are in the market.. and trying.. is promotes price competition and innovation.. and keeps HPT on their toe and ahead of the game IMHO..

Simply not leaders? Who do you think Magnus called when he had problems with troubleshooting his OWN product? Without Charles, there would be no HPFoolers. You are obviously are biased for whatever reason.

[AllTheGoodNamesAreGone]

Look.. I live in the "today" as far as tuning goes..
what happend before this year is honestly irrelevent.. becuase neither of you had ANYTHING for us.

consider the last year..

who offered us (v6 f-bods) a DIY product first?

who has more features?

who is adding more with each release?

I admit it.. I am biased.. I found a superior product and love it..

its your job to make me feal differently.. and saving a few dollers for an unpolished turd (not the "UN") is not gunna cut it my friend..

Plus I dont think you are the one to be talking about bias.. I am simply an educated consumer.. you are a relative arnt you?..

??? food for thought..

still waiting for a responce to my "one usefull feature" question..

[beyerch]

OK.

I think there is a lot of misinformation here and I'm going to have to correct some.

#1 - DHP has been tuning v6 3800 since late 2001. Long before anyone else. While we never offered a generic unit for these vehicles we have actually offered custom services for them for qutie some time.

#2 - DHP's editor offers over 200 tuning parameters. This is many more than our competitor. We add more on request if something important is missing, etc.

#3 - The Scantool goes under frequent updates. I'm sorry that someone here didn't like what he saw a while ago on his "friend's" tuner. Based on his location I know who he/his friend is and that person was a BETA tester running beta software. We were also the first to offer Analog to Digital conversion on ANY tuner on the market. Sorry our website doesn't promote this, but we beat teh compeition out by a couple of weeks on that one.

As far as the scantool speed, it is as fast as any other scanner on the market or faster. We utilize GM's DPID scheme for acquiring data which is much faster than most standard scantools.

the scantool has unlimited logging potential (for those people crazy enough to log for horus on hours).

The scantool allows you to export data to either CSV or XML so you can parse the data however you like.

The scantool allows you to LOG parameters while not displaying them to minimize clutter. You can also dynamically add new or remove parameters while logging data. (no need to stop and start a new log).

The scantool gauges are completely customizaeable. You can select ANY font installed on your machine, in ANY size. You can adjust the refresh rates for individual gaues. You can set warnings and alerts for each individual gauge, etc, etc.

As far as available parameters, this varies on the car but at a minimum, supported cars will have between 50 to 140 parameters to work with. IF the car is NOT recognized by the scantool, you will have a basic list of ~15 items that are universal across GM or v6 and v8. The scantool SHOULD work on any GM v6, i4 ,v8 as far as reading and cleaering DTC's. Scanning should work at a basic level for most v6 and v8 applications as well.

there *ARE* some things that need to be added such as auto saving of log configurations and the new graphicsa gauges. We are working on those items and they will be implemlented in the near future.

I will post a couple of screen shots of the current scantool screens and the to be released graphical layout.

Thanks.