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    Ok so here -- once and for all -- im going to explain why aluminum heads are better than the iron ones. Its really really simple.

    They flow better.

    How much better you ask? Well let me put it this way. I found a flowbench sheet for a set of 3100 (3.1 Gen II Aluminum) heads from a friend of mine that knows the 3x00 engine backwards and forwards. The 3100 heads (Gen II) come with the same valves as our stock iron heads, 1.72/1.43 (intake/exhaust). However the valves are canted, which helps airflow at higher rpms because the valves dont get in the way of each other, and keeps the air flowing well.

    The exhaust ports have been D shaped instead of O shaped. The difference also allows for better airflow at higher RPMs, while maintaining good flow at lower RPMs as well.

    Now all said and done -- these heads, the Gen II aluminum heads found on any 1996 Grand Am GT -- flow as much as a set of 900.00 ported iron heads.

    I took the flowcharts my one friend gave me, and then talked to Tiago of Force Fed Fabrications. He gave me flow charts for his fully ported iron heads. Worked on by Norris Racing Tech (and I personally know this for a fact), a LOT of research went into these heads to make them flow optimally - including researching larger valve sizes and port shapings and everything.

    In the end they were made to flow 158cfm on the intake side @ .500 lift and 142cfm on the exhaust side @ .500 lift. (the flow on the aluminum is better all around, but ill just show this cause its what i remember...off the top of my head).

    I took the stock flowbench from the Gen II heads, and found them to flow 162cfm @ .500 intake and 139cfm @ .500 exhaust.

    Wow is what I said. We are talking about a stock aluminum head, one that hasnt been ported or polished or gasketmatched. One that has all the stock casting flaws and everything -- flowing as much as a completely ported Iron head. Again:

    Fully Ported Iron Heads (@.500" lift):
    158cfm Intake / 142cfm Exhaust

    Stock Aluminum Heads (@.500" lift):
    162cfm Intake / 139cfm Exhaust

    Thats insane. I can only imagine what a set of ported aluminum heads would flow -- and I plan to have it checked when I get mine ported.

    What that means, is that if I took one of Tiagos turbo kits and threw it on my car, I would get the same results he has. Without any of the work. And it can only go up from there. Get It?

    There is no strength problems, my car never overheats, and the aluminum topend actually shaves off a LOT of weight. One of the aluminum heads weighs maybe 20-25 lbs. ONE of the iron heads feels like it weighs around 40-50 lbs. means you are losing 50lbs right there just by switching. After using these heads on my car, I will never put the iron paperweights back on.

    That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Aluminum heads on your 3.4L RWD engine is the BEST "bolt-on" (yes its a bolt on cause they bolt right up with very little modification) you can do. Hands down. Update to the newer technology and toss the 10-year old crap that GM decided to stick with when they put the engine together.

    Just my .02.

    -R

    p.s. i also found out just recently that a set of 3400 heads (2000+ model year 3400) flow 200 cfm on the intake and 180cfm on the exhaust. thats just insane! May 20th, 2006 I am going to dyno the 3.4 with its new clutch I just put in and ill correct my sig and put new numbers up. then its off to the track! we'll see what this setup is capable of. :)

    hybrid - \'\'hI-br&d - The offspring of a cross between species.
    Co-Founder West Coast F-Bodies
    West Coast F-Bodies Car Club - WCFB Message Board

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    Re: The arguement for Aluminum heads on a 3.4

    Keep us posted. I'm very curious to see what this conversion can do on the track. I was planning on doing this swap last year and then my trans died for the second time. Stupid automatic. Anyways I should have her up and running within the next month. It would have been sooner, but I started working for a Nissan dealer and I bought a new 350Z. Gotta love those employee discounts.
    1994 Chevrolet Camaro 3.4L A4 (160hp 200tq)<br />2006 Nissan 350Z 3.5L M6 (300hp 260tq)

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    • #3
      Re: The arguement for Aluminum heads on a 3.4

      I knew this looked familiar
      http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/v6...heads-3-a.html
      1978 Formula 461 in progress of being built :rock:
      2013 Ram 1500 Big Horn

      former owner of 85 bird w/ 2.8 - 3.4 - 3800 II - 5.0
      94 comero 3.4

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      • #4
        Re: The arguement for Aluminum heads on a 3.4

        sure wish this was a good upgrade for a 3.8
        my iron heads are heavy!
        the only disadvantage of aluminum is having to use anti-seize, so plugs dont break off in thar
        2k2 camaro, K&N, SLP whisper lid, Konis, AEM, HP Tuners, Angel eyes/Halos, CF SS ram air hood, 4.10s, Zexel Torsen, UMI SFCs, CrossFire, BFGs, Gatorback, Catco, Flows, and TLC! DONT feed the Trolls!

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        • #5
          Re: The arguement for Aluminum heads on a 3.4

          LOL. yea i pretty much have this posted at every board that might benefit from it -- that way in case people dont visit the other boards they get the benefit of my article. :) i believe in sharing knowledge and i think this is something that GM should have done from the factory.

          the difference is amazing. i seriously cannot wait till my clutch is broken in to visit the track.

          to give you guys an idea -- ive already been with the 3100 setup back when i first did the swap in 2001 (yes...ive been driving this conversion that long)

          and with a OEM clutch and 170 rwhp / 207 rwtq and a really really really crappy run (spun a little...and then when i got to third gear i brainfarted and shifted from 3-4 at only 3000 rpm (i usually take each gear to 5-5500))

          still - managed to run a 16.3 @ 83 mph (i was at 2700') -- so corrected thats something like 16.0 @ 85 ...anyway. my 60' was 2.49. (as is said - i spun).

          i havent gotten in any real GOOD track runs cause im not great on a track. better at street driving. I'll practice tho and try to get some numbers for everyone. I will maintain -- as this did actually happen -- that I managed to keep a Z28 from catching up to / passing me. -- means ive got something in there, just gotta figure out how to get it to show itself.

          and with my new "toy" i just put in, in january, and the replacement Spec Stage 3 - i should have some better numbers soon :-D i will def. keep everyone posted.

          hybrid - \'\'hI-br&d - The offspring of a cross between species.
          Co-Founder West Coast F-Bodies
          West Coast F-Bodies Car Club - WCFB Message Board

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          • #6
            Re: The arguement for Aluminum heads on a 3.4

            this should be sticky for all those new 3.4 owners.
            1995 Patriot Red T-Topped Z28 A4<br /><br />Mystery rebuild in progress.<br /><br />Soon to have 383 ways to beat KBreezy and Shane. :D

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            • #7
              Re: The arguement for Aluminum heads on a 3.4

              i like to change gear between 5000-6000 RPMS maybe mid 6's just so when i get to the next gear rpms are still in the 5000's easy and still zooming. not sure if its bad for it but thats not even in the danger zone (red area on the gage) duh. i guess 5.5 would still be good enough but if i were racing id set it up some more... but thats just me i dont know **** about racing so if im wrong oops :banana:

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              • #8
                Re: The arguement for Aluminum heads on a 3.4

                I thought major work was needed to make 3x00 fwd heads on rwd cars. You said that you need to do slight modifacations what did you have to do? Thanks for the info.
                95 camaro 3.4 &lt; Jc whitney Exhaust, Chrome intake stage 2, Rk sport headers, msd dis-4, 160*thermo, Jet stage 2 chip, black racing stripes.<br /><br />91 Camaro rs 5.0 tbi gone but not forgoten

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                • #9
                  Re: The arguement for Aluminum heads on a 3.4

                  biggest hurdle is you have to change out the pistons because the heads will raise the compression to a VERY dangerous level. that means you have to pull the motor.

                  what was your peak HP and TQ RPM on your 3.1 dyno?
                  Last edited by andrew.brandon; 04-19-2006, 02:35 PM.
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                  • #10
                    Re: The arguement for Aluminum heads on a 3.4

                    Ragnot, as far as shifting anywhere near 6000 with a 3.4, its not in your best interest. The motor runs out of steam shortly after 5000 rpms, so if you want to go faster, you short shift it.

                    I'm very interested in this discussion. I have yet to start porting my iron heads for my engine yet, and if if this swap is as simple as it seems (im rebuilding the bottom end anyways) then I might give it a try. How hard is it to get the intake to line up? i konw certain engine combos have an angled TB. are there any that are straight? how about TB sizing? are there any that i should be looking for that are larger than others? And for pistons, i was going to go with the Ross forged lower compression ones anyways... What are your thoughts on this combo? I've been looking into my build up for a least a year now, but until this post, i havent given the AL heads much thought. Keep the technical specs coming.. very much appreciated.
                    Phill<br /><br />95 camaro... need money for turbo project... <br />94 S10 Blazer - winter beater - infinity system to be installed soon<br /><br />\"The man who says it cant be done should not interrupt the man doing it...\"

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                    • #11
                      Re: The arguement for Aluminum heads on a 3.4

                      the hardest part is putting in new pistons.

                      the intake manifold is symmetrical. both upper and lower. meaning all you do is put the water neck facing forward, and then put the upper manifold facing forward (tb forward)

                      everything lines up perfectly.

                      andrew - if you are talking to me...
                      stock 3.4 dyno: 140 rwhp / 183 rwtq
                      3100 (1996 parts) dyno: 170 rwhp / 207r rwtq
                      3400 (2000 parts) dyno: never dyno'd, but was enough to keep a Z28 from closing a gap on me (car length)
                      3400 (2000 parts) w/ comp cam: coming may 20, 2006

                      there are some holes that have to be tapped/filled with set screws (best way to not get anything in the way like bolts). a new sensor for the temp has to be gotten (3-wire). have to make some brackets for the coils to raise them out of the way, and get a 90* bend + a/n to barb fitting for the heater hose.

                      check the site:
                      http://camaro.adwire.com/modpics/

                      you can see everything i did on there. This swap was done in a ordinary residental garage with ordinary (no air tools) wrenches and tools. I have a rotozip and dremel to help me with grinding stuff, and i used a vise (bench) and ordinary makita drill to make all the brackets and adapters.

                      this whole setup can be recreated in anyones garage / carport with very little effort. its not as hard as everyone makes it out to be. just like anything else, takes some will and determination.

                      NOTE: THIS SETUP IS NOT - I REPEAT ABSOLUTELY NOT SMOG LEGAL IN ANY STATE THAT HAS EMISSIONS REQUIREMENTS TESTING. PERFORM THIS SWAP AT YOUR OWN RISK.
                      Last edited by black34v6; 04-19-2006, 06:16 PM.

                      hybrid - \'\'hI-br&d - The offspring of a cross between species.
                      Co-Founder West Coast F-Bodies
                      West Coast F-Bodies Car Club - WCFB Message Board

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                      • #12
                        Re: The arguement for Aluminum heads on a 3.4

                        Originally posted by black34v6

                        andrew - if you are talking to me...
                        stock 3.4 dyno: 140 rwhp / 183 rwtq
                        3100 (1996 parts) dyno: 170 rwhp / 207r rwtq
                        3400 (2000 parts) dyno: never dyno'd, but was enough to keep a Z28 from closing a gap on me (car length)
                        3400 (2000 parts) w/ comp cam: coming may 20, 2006

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                        I am wondering what the peak power RPM's are. I know the stock 3.4L's peak HP rpm is 4600 RPM. I have always hears the 3.4L has never been a high rev'er because of the heads.
                        95 Firebird<br /> <a href=\"http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/673250\" target=\"_blank\">http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/673250</a> <br /> <a href=\"http://photobucket.com/albums/y217/andrewbrandon19/\" target=\"_blank\">http://photobucket.com/albums/y217/andrewbrandon19/</a> <br /><br />me on a good day------&gt; <a href=\"http://communicatio.webblogg.se/images/wet_cat_113159625.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">linky</a>

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