GM's 305 HP V6 - Is it possible to attain that in the 3.8??

[ssms5411]

Re: GM's 305 HP V6 - Is it possible to attain that in the 3.8??

here, read this

http://forum.camarov6.com/showthread.php?t=96910

HA ha ha, LOL Such abuse , you alright, need to talk about it , I'm here for ya. LOL

[ne0hisda0ne]

Re: GM's 305 HP V6 - Is it possible to attain that in the 3.8??

Mine came out to about 400hp with 12 PSI. I don't think that calculator is accurate at all since it doesn't ask for how much CFM and what turbo like ceramic bearings and water cooled how big of intercooler for pressure drop. Mine came out to about 440 WRHP on Garretts website, and the garrett dealer also said I should be around 400 at 10PSI and over 400 at 12 PSI, since the turbo is well matched for my mods. This is why I went with a 31 X 12 X 4" intercooler and a 3 core radiator to help with the AZ heat to keep it cool.

I don't get the issue here...first off obviously a calculator can't account for mods, 1psi at 200hp gets roughly 13hp...you yourself guestimated 20hp right...you also state the calculator said you came out to 400hp with 12psi...then you state that another calculator on another website showed 440 at the same psi and 400hp at 10 psi...this is why it's called a "guestimation"...as it's a guess...not accurate...

not that I'm defending that website at all...just found it through google, just don't see the issue. if garrets is better then please post it...just trying to help...not cause a "your calculator sucks and mine is better war".

[ssms5411]

Re: GM's 305 HP V6 - Is it possible to attain that in the 3.8??

wanna see a burnout vid?

I think I just puke in my mouth alittle bit, but got over it, I saved it on my computer so I can watch it over and over trying to learn the technique of the ultimate burnout vid. This is a moment in time I will never forget. God bless America

[ne0hisda0ne]

Re: GM's 305 HP V6 - Is it possible to attain that in the 3.8??

I think I just puke in my mouth alittle bit, but got over it, I saved it on my computer so I can watch it over and over trying to learn the technique of the ultimate burnout vid. This is a moment in time I will never forget. Baby Jesus bless America

...fixed

[ssms5411]

Re: GM's 305 HP V6 - Is it possible to attain that in the 3.8??

I don't get the issue here...first off obviously a calculator can't account for mods, 1psi at 200hp gets roughly 13hp...you yourself guestimated 20hp right...you also state the calculator said you came out to 400hp with 12psi...then you state that another calculator on another website showed 440 at the same psi and 400hp at 10 psi...this is why it's called a "guestimation"...as it's a guess...not accurate...

not that I'm defending that website at all...just found it through google, just don't see the issue. if garrets is better then please post it...just trying to help...not cause a "your calculator sucks and mine is better war".

Its a waste of my typing skills and time to find it and paste it, since I don't really care. I will be above 400 WRHP even if I have to turn up the boost controller knob, but I'll take the advice of a garrett dealer who has his own shop and installs GT35R's every week. He told me I could run the turbo up to 500 WRHP. But I wouldn't want to, max is 600 but I would need a .83 exhaust side. My turbo is matched really well to my engine and will see on the dyno what it does.

[flamingchicken]

Re: GM's 305 HP V6 - Is it possible to attain that in the 3.8??

I don't get the issue here...first off obviously a calculator can't account for mods, 1psi at 200hp gets roughly 13hp...you yourself guestimated 20hp right...you also state the calculator said you came out to 400hp with 12psi...then you state that another calculator on another website showed 440 at the same psi and 400hp at 10 psi...this is why it's called a "guestimation"...as it's a guess...not accurate...

not that I'm defending that website at all...just found it through google, just don't see the issue. if garrets is better then please post it...just trying to help...not cause a "your calculator sucks and mine is better war".

just chill, we were just technically discussing things...no need to restart what we finished the other day...

[flamingchicken]

Re: GM's 305 HP V6 - Is it possible to attain that in the 3.8??

I think I just puke in my mouth alittle bit, but got over it, I saved it on my computer so I can watch it over and over trying to learn the technique of the ultimate burnout vid. This is a moment in time I will never forget. God bless America

dude, i just dont think i can master that.

now back on topic, it looks like deep pockets or boost is the only way to get 305 fwhp from our engine. but it is looking like weight reduction and some low budget bolt ons + nitrous and we can take the new v6 camaro...but they are starting with more, so it might not be too far in the future for the after market to come up with some good bolt ons for it.

[3.4 slow to go]

Re: GM's 305 HP V6 - Is it possible to attain that in the 3.8??

late to the party, just deal w/it. The g8's are 361hp, adn yes, DI does make a diff, on the top end. My 3.6 255/255 Caddy is pretty quick already. Yes, it'd be a lot quicker minus 500lbs or so, but I'll just suck it up & press on.

IMHO, before doing all teh engine mods, do some weight reduction and then see just how much more power/$$ spent you actually need.

[venom3300]

Re: GM's 305 HP V6 - Is it possible to attain that in the 3.8??

thanks ssms and neo for the answers about the boost :tup:

[Mighty Thor]

Re: GM's 305 HP V6 - Is it possible to attain that in the 3.8??

The Monte Carlo Intimidator is 295hp.

There's a late 80's Buick 261 ci V6 used in formula one and it produced 500hp NA.


Most cars today are aluminum engine so that it can run cooler and can dispate heat better. Plus with the advancement in the cooling system it made it even better. But most of these V6 like the 350z and 370z are running very high compression ratios with better flowing heads.

[ssms5411]

Re: GM's 305 HP V6 - Is it possible to attain that in the 3.8??

The Monte had like 13:1 compression , thats crazy , I want to know the specs of the 261 ci V6 500 N/A buick. Damm I know someone said GM made some proto type Alm heads for the 3.8 , that would of been cool, only thing about Alm. heads is once they over heat to a point they are gone an need replacement. Cast iron takes alot more abuse.

[RadRacer]

Re: GM's 305 HP V6 - Is it possible to attain that in the 3.8??

dude, i just dont think i can master that.

now back on topic, it looks like deep pockets or boost is the only way to get 305 fwhp from our engine. but it is looking like weight reduction and some low budget bolt ons + nitrous and we can take the new v6 camaro...but they are starting with more, so it might not be too far in the future for the after market to come up with some good bolt ons for it.

My car just put down 235 rwhp with bolt-ons, tune, and a GT2 cam on stock internals. That should be right around 295fwhp, so abit meaner cam, and you'll be able to hit 305. My build wasn't expensive (not exactly cheap either though), but it doesn't necessarily require deep pockets; i'm a college student working part time, and I could afford to do this.

[flamingchicken]

Re: GM's 305 HP V6 - Is it possible to attain that in the 3.8??

The new V6 camaro dynoed 246hp and 220 TQ something like that the graph is in 5th gen.So 246HP and 220TQ can be done easy in our 3.8's. Looks like GM over rated the new V6 Camaro a bit. Ours with weight reduction and some mod would probably out run the new Camaro since they weigh 3700-3800LBS. Take 200-300LBs off your F-Body and you'll have a good run with one, as long as you have bolt -ons , suspension , gears and a cam. Maybe not even all that.

according to ssms, your about on target for the new camaro...a little weight redux and you are getting close to competing.

[venom3300]

Re: GM's 305 HP V6 - Is it possible to attain that in the 3.8??

http://featured.firebirdv6.com/gallery.html

look at the car for june of 2004, apparently u can get to new camaro v6 times with $0

[ne0hisda0ne]

Re: GM's 305 HP V6 - Is it possible to attain that in the 3.8??

My car just put down 235 rwhp with bolt-ons, tune, and a GT2 cam on stock internals. That should be right around 295fwhp, so abit meaner cam, and you'll be able to hit 305. My build wasn't expensive (not exactly cheap either though), but it doesn't necessarily require deep pockets; i'm a college student working part time, and I could afford to do this.

Not trying to rain on your parade here man, but you just said it. You're in college, your 20 years old. You prolly either live in a dorm room or with your mom and dad or some low rent place. So that means most if not all of your money that you get from your "part-time" job goes towards putting bolt-ons and internals onto your car.

I am married, with a kid, nearly 30 years old (yeah I know I'm not that old or the oldest on this board), I have a 2000 sq ft house, and work full time. My wife doesn't work, my daughter is 2 years old so I don't think I can put her to work yet (or can I? :)) so all my income goes to feeding them two and myself, keeping a roof over their heads with A/C (need electric for A/C) and cold/hot water (hot takes gas or electric) and displaying the best entertainment visual fantasy land for them (the big azz tv, cable dvr, phone & internet).

All I'm saying is all my money goes to my providing for my family before any of it goes into my car. It's harder providing for 3. Not so hard when you provide only for yourself.

btw make close to 50k a year...so you would think I wouldn't be hurting so much...maybe it's poor money management skills on my part...let you know when I put my "cam" in..prolly years away...