99 vs 2000 torque converter

[bwkmaro]

ok so i just did a motor and tranny swap on my car and i pretty much just got my tune dialed in so i decided to have sum fun with my old tires.... wellit did a nice job but i noticed with the tranny and torque converter out of the 99 it only stalled to about 1900 rpms when my 2000 stalled to 2400rpm which made for a very nice launch. does ne one kno if there was a difference or was my old tranny just shot cause i kinda want it back right now lol if not im gunna have to buy a new torque converter cause i feel like a ricer off the line

[bwkmaro]

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and also can we use a ls1 converter? or it has different specs if so does any one know them?

[ssms5411]

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Can't use V8 converters, I went with a 02' A4 when I did a M5 to A4 swap , I think I can brake stall it to 2200-2400 rpms, I would look into your front brakes. Since you were swapping out trannies you should of just went with a 3000 stall and been done. Theres a place here that builds 9" billet stalls with woven clutches for $290, will build in any stall speed. I'm looking at a 3000 with a 2.0 STR or a 3200 with a 2.2 STR.

[Bird_Of_Prey]

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Don't buy one of those cheap *** converters. There are so many hacks out there making junk. I wouldn't go with anything less than a Yank or Precision Industries. I've never seen anyone have any sort of good results with the cheap junk. They will work, but they will not be nearly as good, which will lead to disappointment.

[ssms5411]

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Don't buy one of those cheap *** converters. There are so many hacks out there making junk. I wouldn't go with anything less than a Yank or Precision Industries. I've never seen anyone have any sort of good results with the cheap junk. They will work, but they will not be nearly as good, which will lead to disappointment.

These guys make their own converters using the same parts as TCI and Yank and all the rest, they can sell them cheaper since they do all their machineing and don't have to adveritize as much , they do on ebay all the time for LT1's LS1's and even newer Vettes, they have a year warranty with unlimited HP on their converters, the 3.8 conveter they rate at 600 HP, the owner has a 3.8 Grand National in the 9's , and also has done other 3.8's Camaros, Grand Prix's ETC. They can build any conveter they want for any car. For me it would be $290 with no tax, Their shop is huge and the other guy their will build me a A4 for $1000 with no core on the side(since they mainly do just converters) with a year warranty built for the track, even said I could go out their with them and make some passes, becuase they want to see how the turbo does when its all done. That way they can see the data logs and see if they need to build it a bit different since I'm running 3.73's. I think the guy wants to see how the F-body does, I have told him about other F-body 3.8's in the low 11's , street cars and Tim Kings drag car. These guys are legit, I have asked some of my Dads old mechanics who work in the same area and they have heard good things about them and some use their converters.

[bwkmaro]

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dude you get alot of **** for posting for those guys(not all local shops are bad how do you think tci and precision industries started out?.... didnt think about that huh?) lol.. and its deff not my brakes with upgraded c5 rotors and hawk racing pads. the car just lifts 8 inches higher. so i need a different torque converter.

can you guys post sum links to the torque converters cause i can only find the tci converter but the stall is a little low i want a 2700rpm stall

[Finkledbody]

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Don't buy one of those cheap *** converters. There are so many hacks out there making junk. I wouldn't go with anything less than a Yank or Precision Industries. I've never seen anyone have any sort of good results with the cheap junk. They will work, but they will not be nearly as good, which will lead to disappointment.

These guys make their own converters using the same parts as TCI and Yank and all the rest, they can sell them cheaper since they do all their machineing and don't have to adveritize as much , they do on ebay all the time for LT1's LS1's and even newer Vettes, they have a year warranty with unlimited HP on their converters, the 3.8 conveter they rate at 600 HP, the owner has a 3.8 Grand National in the 9's , and also has done other 3.8's Camaros, Grand Prix's ETC. They can build any conveter they want for any car. For me it would be $290 with no tax, Their shop is huge and the other guy their will build me a A4 for $1000 with no core on the side(since they mainly do just converters) with a year warranty built for the track, even said I could go out their with them and make some passes, becuase they want to see how the turbo does when its all done. That way they can see the data logs and see if they need to build it a bit different since I'm running 3.73's. I think the guy wants to see how the F-body does, I have told him about other F-body 3.8's in the low 11's , street cars and Tim Kings drag car. These guys are legit, I have asked some of my Dads old mechanics who work in the same area and they have heard good things about them and some use their converters.

Birds of Prey is right Guys. Yank, Circle D, and precision have reputations for a reason. Other companys don't use the same "parts" that your talking about. Companys like yank build there converters out of a solid piece of billet steel so they can't charge anything less than $650-$950 for there parts. Other companys use cheaper metals or make it out of smaller parts, resulting in weaker hardware that is more prone to breaking. There are hundreds of threads of LS1tech.com where people went with cheaper converters and it resulted in disater and damage costing them a lot more in the long run. Had they gone with quality in the first place they never would have gone through the trouble. Put your money where it counts. Go with QUALITY!! Go ith Yank :p :banana:

[Bird_Of_Prey]

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Birds of Prey is right Guys. Yank, Circle D, and precision have reputations for a reason. Other companys don't use the same "parts" that your talking about. Companys like yank build there converters out of a solid piece of billet steel so they can't charge anything less than $650-$950 for there parts. Other companys use cheaper metals or make it out of smaller parts, resulting in weaker hardware that is more prone to breaking. There are hundreds of threads of LS1tech.com where people went with cheaper converters and it resulted in disater and damage costing them a lot more in the long run. Had they gone with quality in the first place they never would have gone through the trouble. Put your money where it counts. Go with QUALITY!! Go ith Yank :p :banana:

That's what I'm sayin!!!! Local shops can be hit or miss. I remember when Edge Converters came on here with their ****s hanging out acting like the baddest kids on the block, where are they now? Oh, that's right, the junk pile. I wouldn't want a cut open and restalled converter out of a Cavalier in my car. I want someone with a reputation for quality. Transmissions and related components are generally regarded as a black art. No one knows how they work, but the few that do, know it well. The bitter taste of a bad product remains long after the cheap price is forgotten!

[bigbrian442]

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I wouldn't want a cut open and restalled converter out of a Cavalier in my car.

The Precision Industries converter for the V6 is exactly this. It does not use the billet front half like the LS1 converters and if you email them inquiring about the Vigilante for a V6, they will tell you the V6 converter is not part of that line and that it is a reworked stock housing. Yank only offers a 1 off super high priced custom billet converter for the V6 that was priced about $1500 -$1800 a few years ago when I inquired about one. Both these companies have excellent reputations and customer service, unlike Fudle who also builds custom converters for out cars. Anything from TCI is going to be a " cookie cuter" type converter that is a stock rebuilt housing as well that may or may not stall as advertised.

If the converter breaks, it takes out the trans with it. You need to clean all the garbage the converter leaves out of the trans, and that means a complete disassemble.

Reliability and price run hand in hand here.

BTW my car has a $89 stock rebuilt Dacco converter listed for a 4 cyl S-10 that flashes at 3400 in the V6 F body.

[bwkmaro]

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so shoiuld i just go with a 4 banger s10 torque converter? cause i want a 2700 stall. big brian can you post a video of you driving around with that stall so i can see what its like. if you could itd be great

[ssms5411]

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I thought about a s-10 converter but noone knows how much power it can take,esp with a turbo. There was a guy with 3.73's and a home made under K turbo that said he was gettting around 3000-3200 stall out of a S-10 converter so I would rather buy from a local Co. that has positive reviews from local people. Because if they screw me over I can make life hard on them in the future just by calling some local shops.

[bigbrian442]

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so shoiuld i just go with a 4 banger s10 torque converter? cause i want a 2700 stall. big brian can you post a video of you driving around with that stall so i can see what its like. if you could itd be great

A stock motor will probably be fine with the S-10 converter. It is pretty much made with the same internal parts as the F body converter. The stator and fin angles are most likely the only differences.

You nee to ask yourself " Can I afford the car to be down if I break it".

There are some in the Dacco catalog that would fit and possibly stall less then the one I have. The thing is ........until you try it you don't know what the stall will be.

As far as a video goes, not really anything to see. The car revs slightly higher from a dead stop when driving normally. The RPM's drop about 600 when the converter locks as opposed to the 200 the old converter dropped. Cruise RPM is the same after lock up.

[bigbrian442]

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Here is an e mail from jack @ Precision Industries.

We don't make the Billet steel Vigilante for the V6 but we do offer a
modified stock one for your car. It can stall where you want it and it
will work better than the factory one. It sells for $625.00 and comes
with a 1 year warranty.
Precision Industries
800-649-7866

[bwkmaro]

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ok thx alot big brian thats the info i was looking for right now i have sum money but the 1800 stall is killing me... so i think for right now ill get a s10 one i found a friend with one just chilling and he said i can have it for my old sway arm... so ill try that but when i go to add a turbo im deff calling in precision industries. i dont plan on a turbo for at least a year or more but ill have much more money then. the new motor and tranny was this year lol