Hurst Shifter Problem....

[scr8pn99camaro]

I've heard that the boot fitting around the lower part of the shifter on the Hurst jams up with the lower rubber factory boot causing a pain in the butt to get in 2nd and 4th. I've also heard that 2nd and 4th pop out of gear also because of this problem. Has anyone found a solution to this problem? Thanks

[Bliggida]

No, Hurst in most peoples' opinion is what everything else is based off of. Hurst is the best you can get, which is why it is available from the factory.

GM trusts Hurst...so should you. :D

[scr8pn99camaro]

lol Thanks Bliggida! That's good to know.

Do you have a Hurst? Are you satisfied with it?

[hou-tex-six]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bliggida:
No, Hurst in most peoples' opinion is what everything else is based off of. Hurst is the best you can get, which is why it is available from the factory.

GM trusts Hurst...so should you. :D <hr></blockquote>

[img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] Gm put plenty of crappy parts in our cars, no reason this shouldent translate to the "performance" shifter they put in LS1's. And how many of those Hursts get replaced anyways? Plenty. I have the Pro 5.0 and it rips hard, im sure the Ripper is a damn good piece as well. I cant say ive heard anything "bad" about the hurst, but id go with one of the others.

Cp

[FirebirdGT]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by hou-tex-six:
Gm put plenty of crappy parts in our cars<hr></blockquote>


You have an example? And why do you think it's crappy?

[black98V6]

well the hurst shifter in the LS1's that come factory are designed to be quieter and smoother and they do this with a rubber isolator. There is nothing crappy about it but like all factory parts there are tradeoffs made for performance (or performance feel if you will) vs quiet, smoothness... and such..

now back to the original question.. a I could see a problem with the shifter popping out of 2nd and 4th if it's not adjusted correctly. there are stops that are designed to keep you from tearing up the transmission.. also if you don't make sure these are nice and tight they can workthemselves loose and cause problems.. I had to drive home in 4th one time because I didn't properly torque the stops down.. (not fun)
and the boot that comes with it is no problem.. I don't see how it could interfere with anything to be honest..

[good2Bking]

scr8pn, my Hurst has had a problem with occassionally "pulling itself" out of second and fourth gears. When I posted threads on this board on that topic several months back, I couldn't find anyone else who has ever had this problem though.

When I installed the Hurst the new outer boot would barely fit over the stock lower boot. My theory is that in those bottom two gears the two rubber boots just get bunched up together and eventually "pulls" itself out of gear. This would happen frequently when the car was still cold, and hasn't happened at all since the weather warmed up. Which is why I think it's the rubber boot (once it heats up, it becomes more flexible) and not something inside the tranny.

I haven't really tried to fix it yet (got used to keeping my hand on the shifter in those gears), but someone suggested cutting some small slits in the outer boot, and I'll eventually get around to doing that. And the stops could obviously cause a problem if not properly adjusted, but that wasn't the case with me.

BTW, other than that problem, I love the shifter (I replaced the Hurst stick with the Lou's short version) ... Much firmer and shorter throw.

[Jason McCallister]

No problems here with my Hurst popping out of gear. ;)

FYI: Hurst is now the only aftermarket shifter for the V6 F-Body that you can change the shift handle.

[V6Bob]

"Gm put plenty of crappy parts in our cars"
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"You have an example? And why do you think it's crappy?"

Uh, the plastic gear in the headlight motor, when metal was clearly called for? That would have cost them an extra buck.

The flexible noodle they call a chassis? That one would have been about 50 bucks to fix.

The power window motors?

I love the car, but GM clearly cut a few corners.

On topic, Hurst makes a lot of different shifters. The Billet Plus for the V6 is a decent piece. It's like when people say "Goodyear tires are no good". That's true, and it's also true that they are very good. Drives me crazy when people don't say which tire.

[Jason McCallister]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by V6Bob:
On topic, Hurst makes a lot of different shifters. The Billet Plus for the V6 is a decent piece. It's like when people say "Goodyear tires are no good". That's true, and it's also true that they are very good. Drives me crazy when people don't say which tire.<hr></blockquote>

Oh forgive me! :rolleyes: :D &lt;-- said in good fun! ;)

FYI: Hurst *HAS* the only aftermarket shifter for the V6 F-Body that you can change the shift handle.

I'll let everyone else figure out which shifter Hurst offers for the V6 F-Body. :D

[img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]

[ June 05, 2003: Message edited by: Jason McCallister ]</p>

[Bliggida]

I use mine daily, plan to get two more. I use the Hurst V-Matic II in the Mustang. Going to get the same for my Z28. And for the M49 I am getting a Competition/Billet plus with a Lou's Short stick.

I'm in ratchet mode more than I am in regular drive. So I usually manually control every shift of the automatic. When I hot-dog it I really abuse shifter's. I bang them pretty hard. Never had a problem with Hurst.

[hou-tex-six]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by V6Bob:
[QB"You have an example? And why do you think it's crappy?"

Uh, the plastic gear in the headlight motor, when metal was clearly called for? That would have cost them an extra buck.

The flexible noodle they call a chassis? That one would have been about 50 bucks to fix.

The power window motors?

I love the car, but GM clearly cut a few corners.

[/QB]<hr></blockquote>

What he said....

I suppose more generally the idea behind what I said is that GM doesent necesarilly put the best parts in the car, nor does any manufacturer all the time. Thats why we have aftermarket. Thats why we have options, and if there is a problem with this shifter, why not go with something you know will work well, such as the other 2 mentioned?

Cp

[Bliggida]

GM cuts corners, Hurst does not.

[FirebirdGT]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by V6Bob:
Uh, the plastic gear in the headlight motor, when metal was clearly called for? That would have cost them an extra buck.

The flexible noodle they call a chassis? That one would have been about 50 bucks to fix.

The power window motors?<hr></blockquote>


1) The plastic gear was the correct choice. Sometimes you NEED something to fail - first. I believe that those that use the new metal gear available will be sorry someday.

2) The car was not designed for racing, I agree with the chassis design. Too rigid gives a harsh ride.

3) Yes, the reliability is less than it should be, but when you design and test something you have to use simulations, only once it is in the field will you know if it really works as designed. All of us in the auto industry use what is called Failure Modes and Effects Analysis (FMEA).

[ June 05, 2003: Message edited by: FirebirdGT ]</p>

[Spray'dV6]

why not go into gm and order the boot that GM uses for the factory hurst shifter? Mine came with a hurst shifter from the factory and I found it to be crap. The bolts holding it in would always come loose which was also a major pain. I ended up breaking the small little lever that the long handle mounted to so I picked up a pro 5.0 for my car a love it...never get that 2-5 shift either with the patented 2-3 mechanism the pro 5.0 has.