magnus and bill spano please look within and help me out

[bluecmaro96]

ok i would really appreciate if you can find out what stall speed you vig converter is and what str it is and i also need to know the efficiency % please find these 3 things out and get back to me. please dont be mad at me i promise this is the last tc question unless mine dies or something. just so you know i sold my 2800 and i want either a 3000 or 3200 just want to know the str of both of your converters and the efficiency % thanks again

[12secondv6]

he he he, last minute mod for ais???

[bluecmaro96]

shhhhhhh... dont give me away james :D [img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img] i got a few trickes up my sleeve [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]

[12secondv6]

I've got the same mod up my sleeve.
Have you noticd it is hard to stuff a torque converter in a sleeve :D ??

[bluecmaro96]

hee hee yeah its a little hard to do, but ex nay on the ork enverter bay as the homies would say " keep it on the down low" :D [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]

[Magnus]

Dude, I am going to be completely honest here.

First check out this link

BadSSEi wrote: "I believe you're right - the Series II motors can only be bored to .020" over. We went .010" on my first one, and had the block sonic tested to make sure we were still OK."

Second, you really have no clue. No offense.

Just because you get the converter and Yank CALLS it a 2800 doesn't mean its a 2800! If you cut 1.84 60's, I GAURANTEE YOU IT WASN'T A 2800!!!

I promise you, you already had at LEAST a 3200 stall torque converter.

You cut a 1.84 60' on STREET TIRES too! Come on man! WHat are you doing?!

You can't just keep swapping converters to go faster. eventually you reach a limit.

Running a 14.4 on a 1.84 60' on street tires is a LIMIT!

You're taking a huge RISK! VERY BIG! I would not be surprised if you go slower, in fact I bet you do. You had one kick *** converter. And you sold it????? You are not happy with a 1.84 60' on street tires?

You know how difficult it was for me to cut a 1.83 60'? I had to use nittos and flash the converter as hard as possible. You did that on street tires. And you sold your converter???

WHY? WHY?

I asked you many times, WHAT does your converter flash at. You never told me. I bet its because you don't know how to check (No offense). I bet at the track your converter was flashing at 3200 at least.

Mine is a 3200/3300 or so. I have no idea what the efficiency is, I wasn't given that information. You could call up PI and ask them what the efficiency on their 9.5" superstock converters is.

Man, I can't believe you sold that converter. You got that from Yank. They thought it was a 2800. It was more like a 3200.. So your going to ask for a 3200 from Yank, they'll give you a 3600. That might be too big. For sure you'll lose lots of mph. Who knows how much ET you'll lose.

You had good mph too. *sigh*

Why man, why? Choosing a converter is hit or miss. Either you hit it good, or your way off target. You had it good. 1.84 60' on a street tire. That is unreal.

Good luck to you.

[bluecmaro96]

ok lets get things straight, what dont i have a clue about?, is that comment because i sold my tc?, just because i dont know everything about the 3800 series 2 doesnt mean i dont want to learn, i was always under the assumption this board was here to learn what you dont already know, guess i wont assume things anymore. i apolagize if my asking questions bugs you, i wont ask you anymore since you obviously are irritated. i dont see what would go wrong if i get my motor bored .030 over. im not doing the motor work so no i dont have a clue how 2 bore a motor, i do however know how to take mine out and put it back in along with the tranny and i do know how to change my gears, no i dont know absolutely everything about these cars like you but im learning. actually i do know how to flash my converter, the reason i never got back to you was because i just forgot to email you about it. here is what i did i held my foot on the brake i put my other foot on the gas and i quickly let off the brake and hammered down the gas, my rpm shot to around 3200-3300 then i let off and did it again same thing happened. just because i ask you for advice doesnt mean im a moron and i dont have a clue, i am here for the same reason most people are, to learn not to be ridiculed. the biggest part why i sold my tc was because i needed the money for something else that couldnt wait 2 months, i am buying another tc in 2 months. maybe a yank maybe a precision industries, i have no idea which i want to go with. hope this post doesnt affend you but i figured i would reply to what you said.

[Magnus]

Hey, I didn't mean ANYTHING negative about what I said. I am just shocked that you would sell your converter. You had a jem and you got rid of it.

To be able to cut a 1.84 60' on street tires is unreal. The best I was ever able to muster up on street tires was 1.91. Your converter was working great.

You're always making converter posts.. trying to out do your current converter. Honestly, I don't think you can.

I don't mind helping you at all. I like to help.

You say your RPM's went to 3200/3300, well then that tells you right there that your converter wasn't a 2800. ;)

When you do buy another converter, I recomend you go with what works. The one you had. It was definately a winner. You can try a diffrenet converter and hope to get results like you had with the yank, but its a risk. It's a risk _I_ would not like to take.

Again, I didn't mean to attack you in my prevous response.. It was more a response of confusion. Stick with what works. I got a good converter, I don't care if its 50% efficient, It's NOT coming out of my car. If my car blows up tonight, I will be under the car before its engulfed in flames trying to salvage my little jem.

About boring .030".. I would drop BadSSEi@clubgp a e-mail and ask him about it. He's bored out a couple 3800 series II motors from what I read so he might be able to fill you in.

Bore too much and the block will be toast. Hit a water jacket and the block will be toast.

I would also ask him what pistons he is using.

[Magnus]

Hey, I just wanted to sincerly apologize about the "you have no clue" line. I didn't mean it the way it sounds.

What I meant was you had a great converter and I don't think you understand how lucky you are to have such a good converter. It's not easy obtaining a good v6 converter. V8's, there are many people who put converters in their cars, they know what works and what doesn't. We on the other hand only have a select few people with converters in our cars.

As Mike Huff says about my car... I got the converter from hell. lol [img]smile.gif[/img]

I have seen v6 cars put converters in and loose ET, break even or only gain a few tenths.

If you do decide to switch to another converter and run even faster, you have mad skillz and I will definately give you props.

I bought a converter and didn't see the gains I had hoped for. I had to go through the hassle of removing it and installing the stock one, shipping it back to PI, and then reinstalling it when I got it back. It was a PITA and wasn't cheap. I wouldn't want to see someone else go though the same thing.

If all you care about is drag racing and are keeping your car NA.. I say 3200 is great.

If you care about streetability but a litlte strip is nice, I say 2800 is great.

If your gonna put a power adder to the car, then I say make sure the car doesn't stall past 3600 on power adder or you may have rev limiter issues.

[bluecmaro96]

keith i sincerely apolagize to. i didnt mean anything affensive towards you at all. i was confused about what you said but now i understand, as you know its hard to distinguish how a pwerson means what they say ove a computer because of the lack of hearing voice tone and seeing facial expressions. i now see you were only trying to help , im sorry for being an a** i was just confused. i know i had a great tc but ill prolly go with the same one again. i just needed the cash. thanks for allowing me 2 ask you more questions, that saves me alot [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Magnus]

No hard feelings, as long as we're on the same page its all good. [img]smile.gif[/img]

If your going to go strictly NA, it might be cool to try 200 RPM looser converter. Just give Yank your old part # and tell them you want it just a little bit looser. I would definately NOT do that if you had a power adder though. If you were going power adder I might go 200 rpm tighter, all depends on how close you come to the rev limiter.

I would like 200 rpm's more clearance with mine for Nitrous but I care more for NA.

BTW. Sunday the track might be open. Should be in the 50's so I'm hoping to test out the 3.73's. I'll be happy to see 14.2's again and then go from there. I'd like to see 93mph as well but I don't think it will be cool enough for that.

[bluecmaro96]

ok lets say for agument sake i had a 2800 stall converter. when you say 200 rpm looser do you mean get a 2600 stall and when u say 2800 rpm tighter do you mean get a 3000 stall??

[Magnus]

Otherway around. But ONLY if you never ever plan to use a big power adder. Tightening the converter brings the stall speed down. Loosening it up makes it stall higher.

[bluecmaro96]

keith what is your screen name you are using it would be easier to talk through im. how do you run nitrous with a 3200 stall converter? i was thinking of getting a 3000 stall its right there in the middle.

[Magnus]

I have AIM but prefer not to give it out. I'm only online at work so it can be a bit of a bother sometimes.

Lets look at this. Yank works with mostly V8's. They don't know how a converter would really perform on a v6. What they think is a 2800 for a V6 might actually be the 3200 (like your case).

So, say you ordered a 2800. They sent you want they thought was a 2800 but when you put it in, it turns out to be a 3200. So what I would do is talk to them about that. Tell them you ordered a 2800 (give them the part #) and tell them how it performed on your car. If you want a 3000 I think you would have to have it tightened up 200 RPM or so.

For me to run nitrous on my car. I'll start off by saying its a PITA. 75 shot wasn't that bad but when I hit the 100 shot there were so many things I had to monitor. I got 4 passes in on the 100 shot. First 2 I let off at the 1/8th. Came back to the track a few weeks later and wasn't even gonna spray because I didn't have it setup right.. but I fixed my setup. sprayed once and went nicely. Second time I almost hit the rev limiter on the 1-2.

I had 3.42 gear at the time with the 3.42 PCM. I used the Jet SCU module to modify the speedo. I don't know the settings off the top of my head. It took quite a lot of testing. What I did was make the speedo read a TON higher than actual. My speedo said I was doing 40 when I was doing 30. 70 when I was doing 55. 100 when I was doing 80. I was in fourth gear a lot of the time. :( I also used the top speed limiter function which stopped the speedo at 110. Without that I wouldn't have been able to do it.

In the future I am going to try using the 3.08 PCM so the speedo will already be very far off. That way it should shift early and the settings I have to do with the SCU should be minimal.

The biggest problem is the 1-2 shift. See, the Speedo is off by a percentage. So at 40mph, if that percentage is 20%, it will only be off by 8mph.. But at 70 thats 14mph difference. 8mph is good, 14mph is too much and will be a short shift. At 105mph it will be off 21mph and will be a very short shift. So basically, It shifted into fourth when it should have just been starting third.

This is why I say becareful when selecting a converter and going with a big power adder.