Swapping V8 Rear, need some smart people

[silvachris1]

Ok, my differential has been acting up here lately, and I've been looking for solutions. A new diff is gonna cost at least 100 bucks, and then install is gonna run me 375. Or, I can buy a whole rear end assembly with almost everything on it still yet for about the same cost, but I get all the extra parts. So now that you all know why I'm asking, here's my question.

What are the differences between the V8 rear end with TCS, and the V6 rear end with ASR? Not counting gears and diff, cause those are the same. I just want to know what it will take to get the rear with TCS to work in my car with ASR.

[RallyRed 98]

by differential do you mean your carrier or your gears?

between TCS and ASR i think you are getting a little mixed up... the TCS module is just a portion of the entire ASR system. i believe the systems work the same (and are plug and play) between the V6 and V8 cars.

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

if you have TCS (AKA ASR) fine a rear with that if not try to find a ABS only rear...... you can make them work talk to funkz about that and he will give you low down

www.turbov6camaro.com/rear.html

[silvachris1]

By differential I do mean carrier. The Zexel isn't operating right anymore. I've made a couple topics about the problem before. Now I'm just looking for a solution.

Back to the ASR/TCS deal. I was under the impression that the V8 cars have a different traction control setup. I know some of the V8 guys say they have ASR, and some say they have TCS. So whats the difference in the system, if any? And what will it take, if any changes, to get a TCS rear to work with my car, which has ASR? That was the question. I thought the V8 cars with Traction control could apply braking and control throttle. I was just wondering if there's any difference in the rears since I'm hoping to get the whole assembly.

[arthansen]

There are two types of rears.

There is the three channel ABS (Anti-Lock Brakes). It has a reluctor ring attached to the pumpkin and a sensor on the top of the rear end housing. These cars only have ABS systems.

The other type is TCS (Traction Control System). It is a 4 channel system that incorporates the ABS system with traction control. These rears have two reluctor rings, one at the outer end of each axel. There are two sensors mounted to the axel tubes right where the reluctor rings are located.

They are not interchangeable. If you need a 3 channel, do not get a 4 channel and vis-versa.

However, if you find one off a V8 that is the same system you have, they will bolt right in.

The best place to look for a used one in LS1tech.com. I got a nice one for $150. Usually I see them for anywhere from $150-$300.

If you get another rear end, I need a few parts off your old one. I can probably give you half of what you will pay for a replacement. Let me know if you are interested.

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

you can make them work...... just have to do it right.....

i thought there was 4 channle ABS with out the TCS ??

[silvachris1]

Originally posted by arthansen:
There is the three channel ABS (Anti-Lock Brakes). It has a reluctor ring attached to the pumpkin and a sensor on the top of the rear end housing. These cars only have ABS systems.

The other type is TCS (Traction Control System). It is a 4 channel system that incorporates the ABS system with traction control. These rears have two reluctor rings, one at the outer end of each axel. There are two sensors mounted to the axel tubes right where the reluctor rings are located.

So what you're sayin is that the assembly itself doesn't have anything to do with ASR? But TCS system does rely on the assembly?

So my real question now is, if I find a rear end that has ABS, it will work, as long as it's not setup for TCS with the reluctor rings on the outer edges?

What parts would you need off of it if I did get the whole assembly?

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

umm TCS and ASR are the EXact same thing just differnt name

ABS is your brakes

[tdz16]

I'm in the process of changing my entire 94 camaro over to a 97 pontiac....like EVERYTHING. When I redid the wiring, there are wires for the four channel ABS that came with the pontiac, yet only one set of ABS wires coming out of behind the back seat. My friends and I at school talked about trying to make it work and anything other than putting the reluctor rings on the rear axle for two channel and the sensors and whatnot, there is no option. From this I think viper is right...there was 4 channel and 3 channel abs AND traction control. I'm just gonna have to go without abs unless one day i feel like converting the rear to support the 4 channel. To answer your question, I believe the 4 channel would have the reluctor rings and sensors on the outer edges. If you have 3 channel abs, there is one reluctor ring on the differential carrier with a sensor on the "pumpkin" of the rear axle. Well, I hope this sums it up/helps you out a little.
~Tom

[silvachris1]

Viper, I'm not an idiot, I know ABS is my brakes. My concenrn was about the TCS/ASR. The rear end assemblys from cars with TCS have 2 reluctor rings on them, one at each backing plate. Cars that didn't have TCS had a single reluctor ring on the carrier itself. What I was curious about is wether or not a TCS set up rear will work with my car cause I don't know about the sensors hooking up with my car.

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

Originally posted by silvachris1:
Viper, I'm not an idiot, I know ABS is my brakes. My concenrn was about the TCS/ASR. The rear end assemblys from cars with TCS have 2 reluctor rings on them, one at each backing plate. Cars that didn't have TCS had a single reluctor ring on the carrier itself. What I was curious about is wether or not a TCS set up rear will work with my car cause I don't know about the sensors hooking up with my car.

yes they can be mad to work but i don't know how... find a guy on the board or www.v6fbody.com his name is FunkZ can can tell you how to convert it

[98goldbird]

Originally posted by silvachris1:

Viper, I'm not an idiot, I know ABS is my brakes

I know Viper won't say it, but DAMN man, all he's trying to do is help you out. I just think that was a little disrespectful. Overall, you shoulda looked into what goes through with a rear swap before you bought the rear.

And yes, a TCS setup will work on your car, but it's going to be more work in relocating the reluctor rings and whatnot. That's why it's almost necessary to convert like rears.

[silvachris1]

I haven't bought a rear yet, that's why I'm asking. Cause all I see for sale are rears from cars that had TCS.
Yeah, I realize it may have sounded a little harsh, but I didn't call him an idiot, just said that I wasn't. Viper, if that offended you, I'm sorry, it wasn't meant to. I'm just trying to get a straight answer either way. As long as the rear is set up with ABS (meaning a rear from 93 or later), would it work? Because the rear end that we put in my buddy's T/A looked identical to mine, inside and out, and he has no TCS or ASR.

Again, sorry Viper if I offended you, it's just that I'm running out of luck every direction I head. I called a couple junk yards, and when I told them I had traction control, the price doubled.

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

Originally posted by silvachris1:
I haven't bought a rear yet, that's why I'm asking. Cause all I see for sale are rears from cars that had TCS.
Yeah, I realize it may have sounded a little harsh, but I didn't call him an idiot, just said that I wasn't. Viper, if that offended you, I'm sorry, it wasn't meant to. I'm just trying to get a straight answer either way. As long as the rear is set up with ABS (meaning a rear from 93 or later), would it work? Because the rear end that we put in my buddy's T/A looked identical to mine, inside and out, and he has no TCS or ASR.
Again, sorry Viper if I offended you, it's just that I'm running out of luck every direction I head. I called a couple junk yards, and when I told them I had traction control, the price doubled.

yes they will work just try and find one that is 98 rear and up with ABS and no TCS

[silvachris1]

Beautiful, thank you very very very very much man. I do appreciate it.