Do you ever wish you went bigger?

[1998silverbird]

I get 32 mpg on the highway with my 3.73's.. I run 14.9 @ 93 on motor with these gears and a 14.2@103 going throught the traps at 5000rpms in 4th gear with a 2.2 60' on the squeeze.. That was with my bald *** street tires with stock rims.. Now I have skinny fats and some BFG's dragradials.. 3.73's are the $hizzle but i wish I would have went to 4.10's..

[Bliggida]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SilverTAWS6:
If you think you need all that suspension work, you're very misinformed. I know plenty of people running sub 1.8 60' with little more then subframes done to the suspension, and maybe a set of ROAD RACE shocks and of course tires. Chris<hr></blockquote>

I'm misinformed? Last time I checked, Subframes, stiff shocks, and good tires are all included as components of the "Suspension", thus confirming what I originally said.

Even with 4.56's, you won't be shifting into 5th with a stock V6.

[3.4 slow to go]

I have 3.42s in the Bird & my Blazer. Highway isn't that bad, but I have a lower cruise rpm w/the GP, I think that's around the 3.23 ratio. Has anybody considered the best of both & how bad they want it?. Just something to think about, & no bytching about the price. Low gears & up to double overdrive. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[ November 29, 2003: Message edited by: 3.4 slow to go ]</p>

[SilverTAWS6]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bliggida:


I'm misinformed? Last time I checked, Subframes, stiff shocks, and good tires are all included as components of the "Suspension", thus confirming what I originally said. <hr></blockquote>

Yes. You are telling people they need torque arms and lca's and panhards which they don't until they get down into the 10's. Tire helps more then anything. A lot of people believe LCA's and panhards and torque arms are very important for the dragstrip, but they don't really help.

BTW, stiff road race shocks are NOT good for weight transfer.

Chris

[12secondv6]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by 1998silverbird:
I get 32 mpg on the highway with my 3.73's.. I run 14.9 @ 93 on motor with these gears and a 14.2@103 going throught the traps at 5000rpms in 4th gear with a 2.2 60' on the squeeze.. That was with my bald *** street tires with stock rims.. Now I have skinny fats and some BFG's dragradials.. 3.73's are the $hizzle but i wish I would have went to 4.10's..<hr></blockquote>


I get 33 mpg on the highway with my 3:23's
I cruise at 2300-2500 rpm's
I run 14.2 at almost 94 N/A
I spin to mid 12's on nitrous

I LOVE my 3:23's!

Oh yeah, stock valvetrain I saw a best of 1.88 60 foot with 3:23's N/A and 1.63 nitroused!

[ November 30, 2003: Message edited by: 12secondv6 ]</p>

[Bliggida]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SilverTAWS6:
Yes. You are telling people they need torque arms and lca's and panhards which they don't until they get down into the 10's. Tire helps more then anything. A lot of people believe LCA's and panhards and torque arms are very important for the dragstrip, but they don't really help.

BTW, stiff road race shocks are NOT good for weight transfer.

Chris<hr></blockquote>
That is not only nonsense, that deserves a BS flag. You DO NOT have to be making enough power to be in the 10's to utilize better suspension components. Lower Control Arms, Panhard rods, and Torque Arms made from the factory are made to produce a comfortable ride, not all-out launching traction. Whether you have a stock V6, or a Twin turbo 427. You will see noticeable gains in your timeslips from bolting on aftermarket high performance suspension pieces.
My point was merely that if all you do to your car is add 4.10 gears it might be faster down the strip, but it might also slip. Having more multiplied torque going to the wheel(s) but no better suspension to put that gained power to the ground will not be as...AS USEFUL as if you had a better suspension to go along with it and help plant the tires to the ground.

Do you need to be shown a video of the difference between stock lower control arms being launched on vs. a Set of BMR lower control arms?
Stock lower control arms are inducive to creating wheel hop.
When you wheels are hopping they aren't making traction.
When your wheels aren't making traction, Your ET's and MPH's are slower. Your 10-second logic has been proven false by the hundreds... hundreds of V6 F-bodies that have made significant timeslip gains due to running better suspension equipment. Those components allow you to take full...FULL advantage of a big set of gears. Allowing all possible traction to be planted to the ground.

Dunno where you were trying to go with the ROAD RACING shock deal. But I will remind you that you first mentioned it, not I. My personal opinion happens to agree with physics...that a road race suspension has no business at the drag strip. Have no clue why you even brought it up???

[SilverTAWS6]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bliggida:

That is not only nonsense, that deserves a BS flag. You DO NOT have to be making enough power to be in the 10's to utilize better suspension components. Lower Control Arms, Panhard rods, and Torque Arms made from the factory are made to produce a comfortable ride, not all-out launching traction. Whether you have a stock V6, or a Twin turbo 427. You will see noticeable gains in your timeslips from bolting on aftermarket high performance suspension pieces.
My point was merely that if all you do to your car is add 4.10 gears it might be faster down the strip, but it might also slip. Having more multiplied torque going to the wheel(s) but no better suspension to put that gained power to the ground will not be as...AS USEFUL as if you had a better suspension to go along with it and help plant the tires to the ground.

Do you need to be shown a video of the difference between stock lower control arms being launched on vs. a Set of BMR lower control arms?
Stock lower control arms are inducive to creating wheel hop.
When you wheels are hopping they aren't making traction.
When your wheels aren't making traction, Your ET's and MPH's are slower. Your 10-second logic has been proven false by the hundreds... hundreds of V6 F-bodies that have made significant timeslip gains due to running better suspension equipment. Those components allow you to take full...FULL advantage of a big set of gears. Allowing all possible traction to be planted to the ground.

Dunno where you were trying to go with the ROAD RACING shock deal. But I will remind you that you first mentioned it, not I. My personal opinion happens to agree with physics...that a road race suspension has no business at the drag strip. Have no clue why you even brought it up???<hr></blockquote>


I brought it up because I said my friend ran sub 1.8's with stiff shocks (road race) and you went on about how stiff shocks helped on the dragstrip. I guess you've never heard of weight transfer?

And of course road racing shocks aren't meant for the drag strip (well duh!). Ever think that there's other kinds of racing that people might have their cars set up for?

And you DON'T need LCA's and Panhard and Torque arm's to cut good 60's , especially in a 14-15 second car. It's pure [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] , plain and simple. Tires, subframes, and shocks (such as HAL's which are meant for racing) and KNOWING HOW TO LAUNCH help more then anything. I've seen more then enough people bolt on parts like those on cars that just won't benefit them and then wonder why they haven't run any better. There are PLENTY of people running higher gearing in the V8's and stock lca's, panhards, and/or torque arms not having trouble with 60'.

You've said you're opinion on this, I've said mine. Let's not continue to go back and forth on this, mmmmmk?

Chris

[Bliggida]

I will certainly agree with you on the matter that if you are a horrible driver (most are) that NO, it won't make a difference what you bolt on to your car, if YOU cannot make the most of it, its all in vain, and wasted money.

But, I am also under the pretense that anyone installing the afore mentioned equipment has already pushed themselves and their vehicle to the best timeslips possible in that current state of tuning.

[javifp]

I see a lot of people out there wanting to go fast and drive those ricer into a wall. But the fact remains obvious speed with out control its not only reckless its an accident waiting to happen.
Great handling does not comes from tires alone, it involves other aspects such as STB LCA PHR SFC shocks springs and S-bars My car handles like glue but when it was stock it handle like a station wagon "unsafe".
The last thing we need is for some youngster to hit 100-MPH and still think he can make the turn just to see his that he was wrong and found out that somtimes airbags alone dont save lives.
I just had one of my soldiers die in a car accident, so I apologise if I sound like an older brother.
Happy Holidays to everyone.

[StudlyCamaro]

im happy with my 3.42 , i think that if i had gone to a 3.73 then my trans would have a really hard time keepin up... its already having trouble shifting quick enough... but i have 122 K on my 3.4L