Manual to Auto

[Riles]

I've done a search, but whenever I type in "manual to auto", a million auto to manual posts come up, and I didn't really find what i was looking for.

Anyway, does anybody know of anybody who did this? I'm positive that my clutch won't be able to handle 10 psi of boost (the horsepower created by it), and insetad of paying 700 bucks to put a new clutch in, I figured maybe somebody would want to trade their auto for my manual for about the same price.

How feasible is this? I've got too much done to my car to just sell it and buy an auto.

[snatch]

http://www.camarov6.com/cgi-bin/ulti...&f=23&t=000047

http://www.camarov6.com/cgi-bin/ulti...&f=23&t=000672

http://www.camarov6.com/cgi-bin/ulti...&f=23&t=001249

http://www.camarov6.com/cgi-bin/ulti...&f=23&t=001778

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Shane

[speedy-v6-camaro]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by snatch:
http://www.camarov6.com/cgi-bin/ulti...&f=23&t=000047

http://www.camarov6.com/cgi-bin/ulti...&f=23&t=000672

http://www.camarov6.com/cgi-bin/ulti...&f=23&t=001249

http://www.camarov6.com/cgi-bin/ulti...&f=23&t=001778

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Shane<hr></blockquote>

Read the post....he is going from a M5 to an A4, not A4 to M5.....seems like the people in the first thread you listed had the same problem grasping this concept.

[snatch]

Uhh the whole 1st post is in regards to M5 to auto swap. I only posted them cause they all either give good info regarding a swap, price estimate(which would make it cheaper to put in a stronger clutch) or mention the fact thats its not really an easy move.
But after reading the last link, its a pretty worthless thread. I think thats the one you were refering to. I wasnt jumping down anyones throat about searching, thats not my style. :D
Shane
P.S. also try searching m5 to a4 instead of manual to auto

[ February 05, 2004: Message edited by: snatch ]</p>

[Riles]

First off, even typing in "m5 to a4" brings up 30 posts about a4 to m5. And, in the posts that you gave me, even inside the posts that have the title "manual to auto", people still talk about auto to manual in response.

I honestly don't see how it would be a better move to put in a better clutch- it would cost between 700 and 900 dollars to put a new clutch in, but for that price, I could probably find somebody who wants to swap their auto for my manual.

Here is my question, maybe i didn't make it clear enough- has anybody ever "traded" transmissions between two cars, where both cars are getting each other's transmissions? Is this possible? Or would it be better to just find the parts piece by piece?

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Riles:
First off, even typing in "m5 to a4" brings up 30 posts about a4 to m5. And, in the posts that you gave me, even inside the posts that have the title "manual to auto", people still talk about auto to manual in response.

I honestly don't see how it would be a better move to put in a better clutch- it would cost between 700 and 900 dollars to put a new clutch in, but for that price, I could probably find somebody who wants to swap their auto for my manual.

Here is my question, maybe i didn't make it clear enough- has anybody ever "traded" transmissions between two cars, where both cars are getting each other's transmissions? Is this possible? Or would it be better to just find the parts piece by piece?<hr></blockquote>

[img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] i called it were are you getting 900 bucks for new clutch???? i can get a spec stage 3 (will hold 680 HP) for $399, i would install it my self, an even still install what maybe $150. the Clutch kits come with Pressure Plate, Throwout Bearing & Clutch Disc Line-up Tool

if not that dual friction Centerfoce for $349 plus install.

try https://www.ammperformance.com/V6Main.htm

spec stage 1 only 309 bucks and that includes
Clutch kits come with Pressure Plate, Throwout Bearing & Clutch Disc Line-up Tool

plus install

is there on other reson you dont like the manule? is better in more ways then one!!!!!!

[CamaroRob97]

Your also for an auto, going to have to get a torque converter, shift kit (since you want performance) and you'll have to get a pcm programmed for a auto.

It was 360 or around there for my SPEC clutch.

[ February 05, 2004: Message edited by: CamaroRob97 ]</p>

[speedguy]

I'm no expert, but $700-$900 for a clutch doesn't sound right.

[Riles]

Every clutch guy I go to quotes between 300 and 400 for labor.

I call [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] on a $150 clutch install- that would equate to a 2-2.5 hour job (60-80 dollars labor per hour, depending on the shop), and I haven't ever heard of a 2 hour clutch change.

A spec clutch is 399 (you said it yourself)

400+400=800

There is no way I can install the clutch myself, and I really trust this shop to actually resurface the flywheel (a few shops didn't even mention it)

Also, if I was swapping with somebody elses car, I could swap pcm's with him too, so I wouldn't need the flash, would I?

P.S. Our manual is the cheapest feeling transmission I've ever touched. My family only drives imports, and their transmissions are like butter. The T5 also suck as far as internals- aluminum shift forks that bend and stuff. I'm already on my second tranny- it just can't seem to handle the abust that racing brings to it.

[ February 06, 2004: Message edited by: Riles ]</p>

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

umm you got some gready mecanics then, i could go donw the street from my house and 150- 200 installed (will me suplying parts)

[MustangEater8251]

things off the top of my head...

-tranny
-console
-pcm
-tranny crossmember I think...
-Pressure place(flywheel but for auto)
-torque converter

I looked into doing it, a local guy was giving away a wrecked 94 3.4L I was gonna do a m5-a4 swap cuz my M5 was dead, and I wanted to sell the car, but the day before I rounded up a way to get it, someone else picked it up... all the guy did was put it in storage, cuz he was goig to make a "race car" out of it, last I heard its parked untouched next to 4 other of his project cars :rolleyes:

[imported_admin]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Riles:
Every clutch guy I go to quotes between 300 and 400 for labor.<hr></blockquote>

D.C.'s labor costs lean toward the higher end of the price spectrum and Jenn's Centerforce install bill was around $360. Mine is looking to be about the same.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by viper04af:
umm you got some gready mecanics then, i could go donw the street from my house and 150- 200 installed (will me suplying parts)<hr></blockquote>

BS. Check the Mitchell guide for swapping a clutch on a V6. Standard it is like a 4 hour job. You have some cheap mechanics down the street. Are they ASE certified? Are they going to do it right?

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Riles:
P.S. Our manual is the cheapest feeling transmission I've ever touched. My family only drives imports, and their transmissions are like butter. The T5 also suck as far as internals- aluminum shift forks that bend and stuff. I'm already on my second tranny- it just can't seem to handle the abust that racing brings to it.<hr></blockquote>

Short of mine now slipping like crazy, I have had no problems with all the torque I've put through mine for 95,000 miles. I think nitrous is a lot harder on a clutch than a charger. The charger eases its way up into the powerband, nitrous is like a sudden jump. If you'd expect a clutch to not handle power, it would be when that juice first kicks in.

There have been isolated stories about the T-5 failing under load... but none of those people seemed to be putting out any more than 220 hp. The few manual-tranny power-adder cars that I know of have had no problems once they got the high-performance clutch and short throw shifter. I think the people that had their transmissions fail had a fluke. They're named "Borg-Warner" but they're built by Tremec in Mexico, I couldn't imagine that the quality control is as strict as we'd like it.

Riles--you do have a short throw shifter already at least, right?

[imported_admin]

Er, and for the record, it will be MUCH cheaper to upgrade to a Centerforce/Spec Stage III and Hurst/Short Stick combo than to swap in an auto.

Anything custom will always cost twice as much, take twice as long, and cause six times as many headaches as you had anticipated. Unless you're putting in something like a T-56 or a Tremec TKO (and the job is therefore worthwhile), don't go swapping transmissions. If you're not doing the labor yourself, it will end up being a $2000 job when all is said and done...

[ February 06, 2004: Message edited by: Stefan ]</p>

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

there are so many mechanics in my area all you have to do is call around, i know the ones that don't know what there doing, and the guy i go to is really good, and he knows im on a low bugit and in the AF. i had him quote me last year, he told me 150 bucks to install it.

[imported_admin]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by viper04af:
i had him quote me last year, he told me 150 bucks to install it.<hr></blockquote>

Did he actually look it up or did he just say "sure, I can do a clutch for $150"? Again, just because you have one mechanic lowball the price does not mean its normal. "Standard" labor times are determined by the Mitchell guide. "Normal" shops will charge you labor for the time it says in that guide. For most shops, that equates to $300-$400.