My system, how do you think it will sound

[gonein60]

OK I just bought everything and have yet to install it, let me know what you think. I was going for good quality sound but didn't need too much so I went with what I thought would work.
I have monsoon, or at least did anyway, so I replaced it with:

Alpine D857 head unit with 45x4 outs
Pioneer 4oo watt 4 channel amp bridgeable to 3 and 2 channels with built in crossover
4 Pioneer Premier 6.5 inch 3 ways with Titanium tweeters 90 watts rms each
4 Pyle driver pro series 1" titanium tweeters 150 rms each
2 sony explod 5.25 inch 2 ways with 40 watts rms each
1 audiobahn 18" long bass tube with 12" sub
400 watt rms
I'm going to wire in the front tweeters with the 6.5's, then install just 6.5's in the middle section and then install the other 2 tweeters in the rear monsoon panels with the 2 sony explods. I'm going to run just the stereo to the front 2 and the middle 2, then I'm going to use the low input rca's to bridge 2 of the channels together for the bass tube and then use the high input for each of the remaining channels to power the rear monsoon panels with the 2 tweeters and sony's in them.

At some point I'm going to go with a DVD and flip down screen too, or maybe a built into the dash 12" lcd screen. But until then how do you guys think this will sound?

I chose these Items because I wanted good sound but also didn't want to go flashy OR use multiple amps, because I want the interior to look clean on my car. I'm going to mount the amp on the rear hatch flat upper area right next to the soon to come nitrous bottle. It isn't too late to switch anything out, but I don't want anything more than a bass tube because it takes up too much room and weighs too much, but other than that any suggestions would be cool. I'm also going to run a noise filter to the amp and an FM booster to the radio, any other fairly inexpensive ideas that will compliment this system?

[DrMilhouse]

I'm not one to rain on someone's parade unless they ask me to... You asked for how do we think it will sound and say that you're going for great SQ. I'm sorry to break it to you, but after the Alpine head unit your system is losing SQ by the item. Pioneer does not make the greatest amps, or speakers, or head units or actually the best anything. To be honest, myself along with others will take pioneer only if there is no other option. Premier is made by Pioneer. Enough said. Pyle, I might be wrong on this, but don't they sell Pyle from those JC Whitney catalogues? Enough said. Sony speakers, they're not called x-plode for nothing [img]smile.gif[/img] enough said. The bass tube is a pretty good idea to save weight. Those are good at being removeable and they produce bass at a certain frequency range really well. There is a box made now by Megabass which is also light and is very easily removed if you want to go down the track. It will hold a 12 as well.

So there ya have it, you asked for what we think so there's an honest opinion. [img]smile.gif[/img] I hope that helps ya out, I don't know if you'd want to change any of what you have or not, but at least you'll have some feed back one way or the other.

[zlightning]

your car will sound fine don't worry. it will be much much better then stock. oh and another thing depending on the explods they might be good. some people just bash anything from word of mouth. I listened to a better pair of their speakers and they were good. oh yeah what is the model number on the premier speakers?

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[Chemten10]

why did you get 3-ways if you were gonna have seperate tweeters? maybe look into seperate woofers instead.

[Reverend_Ezekiel]

I'm gonna have to agree with Dr. millhouse on this one. I've owned Pioneer speakers before, not the best by any means. I've got a friend who now hates Pioneer because he said that it broke alot. Audiobahn is NOT a SQ sub, not een the tubes they have. I will NEVER buy SONY....EVER!!!! nuff said.

About the only good thing you got going so far is the Alpine HU.

I have no doubt that it will sound MUCH better than stock, but if you want good SQ w/o flashy stuff, you could have chosen your stuff a little better.

No offense or anything...afterall you aked our opinions.

BTW - why did you buy tweeters and 3-ways? just seems kinda a waste of money if ya ask me. Shoulda gotten a driver and tweets.

[megabass]

I have to agree with The Reverend and The good Doctor here. You did good with the Alpine HU, but after that it's all downhill. Pioneer stuff is a slight upgrade from the stock equipment, but It's not going to be the highlight of your "system". Anything Pyle is just that-- A big Pile of ****. And YES, JC whitney sell that stuff. Why do you need so many tweeters? If you plan on putting any tweeters in the rear sails, you're gonna ruin your soundstage. Although bass tubes do give respectable bass, it's not going to look right in an F-bod?? :( Come on man. You can do better. Get a stealth or milhouse box or something. A big round tube in the back doesn't score high on my "good system" list. Sorry to be so harsh, but if you have the budget to add DVD screens and that sort of stuff, you can afford better speakers and amps first. I guarantee I could go around on these boards and buy used stuff for less and get better equipment than what's on your list.

Are you sure you want to mount the amp on your flap? That's another no no for my list.

Again, sorry to be so harsh. You should have posted for opinions before you bought all that stuff. Any chance you could send some of it back? Just wondering.

[gonein60]

Well speakers are measured mainly by decibel sensitivity, frequency response, rms wattage, and max wattage. The pioneers looked good. These are also the highest line pioneer speakers they make. The pyle driver tweeters sound ****in awesome because I've already hooked them up to my home system. I went with tweeters as well as 3 way in order to keep my monsoon accurate. Pioneer amps I cannot vouch for, but I got it for 75 bucks from a warrantied retail store so i cannot complain about the sound for $75. sony xplods are an inconsequential part of the system, I doubt 2 5 inch speakers in the scope of the whole stereo will make much difference. I know the pioneers that everyone thinks these are, but they aren't the $30 a pair sets you see at best buy.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/Pi...9,1996,00.html

They are $160 per speaker TS-E1695

[Reverend_Ezekiel]

gonein60 - The main goal of an SQ junkie is to move the soundstage as far foward as possible. Putting tweeters and x-plodes in the rear sail and hatch panels moves if backwards...WAY BACK!!

Most people say (and I happen to one of them) that all you need is a good component set up front powered by good clean power. 2 tweeters, and 2 woofers is all you need. MAYBE some Mid-bass in the sail panels....maybe.

The saying "You get what you pay for" is a two edged blade. Everything cheap is of lower quality, but just because it's expensive does not make it quality stuff. I'm refering to the pioneers when i say this BTW.

As for bass, if you want to keep is looking clean, and out-of-the way then get a stealth box with a good 10" or 12". It takes up no hatch room, and it looks GREAT!!

If you install all this stuff and you REALLY like it, then by all means ignore me. Whatever floats your boat, right? Just remeber that you asked for my opinion.

Hope it all works out man!! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

edit: what do you mean when you say you added all these tweeters to keep the monsoon accurate???

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[massivefirebird]

All you really need is one set of components up front... two (one in kick panels)if you want loud mids and highs, but give it enough watts.

Seperates is the way to go if you want sound quality. Coaxials don't offer much in sound quality. It's usually not built like seperates. The tweeters aren't as crisp as component tweeters, even if you have four of them. And the midrange is not as sturdy as a set of quality 6.5's, and if you get a good set, will probably distort less(if you have the watts).

You should try and see if you can return them. Spend about $350 for your fronts, and don't worry about having a lot of highs coming from your rear... you want your soundstage up front, so you don't need very loud speakers in the back. Some people like a center speaker up front also... all in personal preference.

I don't want to bash you at all, I love talking about a stereo system... but Pyle doesn't make great products. I like Pioneer's HU with the nice display... it's awesome. I hate their subs though, and their coaxials aren't that great. I had triaxial(three way) 6x9's, which only offered distorted bass, and crappy midbass. The super tweeters were loud, but it wasn't a clean crisp sound. I'm not very fond of bass tubes(Pioneer tubes and Bazookas). I'd rather have a single good sub in a ported MDF box over a tube... that way I know I built it exactly to specifications, that it's built to last, and that my subwoofer will play to the best of its ability BECAUSE I built it. I trust shops in box building, but I like to get my hands dirty.

How much did you spend?

[megabass]

First of all, when you say you want to keep the monsoon accurate, what the heck do you mean? The WHOLE purpose of buying aftermarket equipment like you have tried to do is to completely do away with the crappy monsoon system. That's the point. When you (or if you) install this stuff in your car, the monsoon is gone, poof, no longer needed used or required. You can take it all out and throw it in a lake.

The highest line of Pioneer speakers is still waaay lower than most "quality" brands. We're all basically saying the same thing here to save you the trouble. As Chemeleon Green preaches, do it right the first time and it will save you money in the long run. We know from experience.

If you get to be as seriously hooked on audio equipment like the rest of us, you will keep replacing what you have with stuff that's just a little better all the time. Of course, that's what makes it fun and that's how you learn. Learn from your mistakes and figure out how to do it better the next time. Good luck whatever you decide to do.

[massivefirebird]

Sorry I've said the things I've said, but coaxials is always what people (like me) start with. Then over time, I realized that my friend's systems sounded WAY better than mine did. I had stronger amps than they had, with Pioneer 6x9's in the rear, two Pioneer 8 inch tubes, and Boston 5 1/4's, 3 1/2's and 1 inch Lanzar tweeter up front... There wasn't much as far as clarity, and more distortion than theirs, because I had so many amps, and speakers, but they weren't high quality. The 6x9's costed me $145, and I know now that with all the money I spent on all that junk, I could have spent a lot less and end up with a lot more.

Trust me, with a quality amp that puts out 1 watt/$1.00 will be the best amp you can buy, and a quality 6 1/2 component set will outperform 4 pioneer 3 way triaxials anyday! Pioneers aren't known for producing midbass very well, or even crisp highs.

If you can return them, here's some stuff you should look into:

Seperates: Boston Acoustic Rally, MB Quart,

Amps: Kicker, Phoenix Gold, Rockford, and Soundstream.

Subwoofers: JL Audio W3's or W0's(depending on amplifier power and your wallet), Kicker Comp VR, or Soundstream Mules(pretty loud subs), or even Rockford's entry level subs!

There are many brands out there, some better than others, but try to stay clear of stuff like Pioneer speakers, or any Kenwood stuff... AVOID Pyramid, Rockwood, Kenford, and JDL!!!

[zlightning]

Okay enough with this up front only crap. I don't understand your logic in this thinking. Look at all the best and I mean best sound setups and where are they? Throughout the whole damn car. I am not trying to flame. Sorry if I piss anyone off but it is just not logical.

[Reverend_Ezekiel]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr> Okay enough with this up front only crap. I don't understand your logic in this thinking. Look at all the best and I mean best sound setups and where are they? Throughout the whole damn car. I am not trying to flame. Sorry if I piss anyone off but it is just not logical. <hr></blockquote>

All of "the best" sysems have DVD surround sound systems. They have 5.1 channel surround sound processors and they need all of those speakers.

The logic of foward placement is to properly recreate concert level sound. Concerts take place on a stage in front of the audience, not behind the audience. This is the goal of the SQ junkie, to make it sound like your at a concert. In fact the best way to tune your system is to go to a concert and listen to a song that you play in a car alot, then try and make them sound as similar as possible.

Hope this clears it up some for ya!! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

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[zlightning]

YEah but concerts also have speakers in other places that would be behind the better seats. I also see a lot of people say only front speakers then they have a sub in the back hm a sub is a speaker.

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[Reverend_Ezekiel]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr> I also see a lot of people say only front speakers then they have a sub in the back hm a sub is a speaker.<hr></blockquote>

Sub Placement is not a factor in creating a sound stage. Bass is a less directional thing, unlike tweeters where placement is a key factor in their sound.

Besides, where else can we put a sub realistically? They need airspace, the trunk is the only viable option if you want to keep the back-seat.