Speaker set up in 02 Camaro w/ monsoon

[Ender2664]

Right now my speakers are all stock, except i have some sony 6x9s in the rear, three ways. Anyways i want to upgrade them all. I have been told that the frounts are coaxel, i should remove the passanger ones since i have 2 subs and i might look into upgrading my 6x9s. I was just wondering what everyones audio set up is in there Camaro w/ the stock monsoon amp.
What are your sugestions for the frount coaxels? Should i yank out the passanger woofers? Is it at all worth it to upgrade my 6x9s? Audio is important to me, i am known for my obnoxiously loud system.
My friends roll with a 2jz supra, a r33 skyline, a LS1 Camaro, a rare porsche, and a brand new escalade truck...so need less to day the only really think i can beat them in is stereo...the damn escalade truck is faster than my car!!! Anyways please tell me what you think about the speaker set up, exact models appreciated.

[T-Punk]

if you want to do it right and not waste you money on something that doesnt sound much better you will have to rethink your design and options. First off coax are not as good as components... not even close so you should get compontents. second, running off the stock amp is not very good either, it can be done but it just isnt that great. also imo 6x9's are not very good unless you are trying to get a little extra bass without adding subs (which i would recomend doing in lou of new 6x9's). look at about 650 for a proper setup with a pair of components, their amp, a sub and its amp. hear is my recomendation to you go here http://www.edesignaudio.com/13kv2_special.htm and get on of the 13Kv.2 Complete System Combos. i would recomend the deal with (1) 13Kv.2 Dual 2 + (2) eD NINe.2 + eDi 6000s Set or the deal with (1) 13Kv.2 Dual 2 + (2) eD NINe.2 + eDi 6500s Set. it basically just depends on how much sq you want. the 6500's are a higher level component system. after this you should search for sound staging on this site and www.elitecaraudio.com. it basically shows you the correct way to setup a system with the use of only front speakers (it is the cheaper and actually better alternative to rear fill speakers).

[Ender2664]

Well thanks for the sub advice, but i allready have a killer sub set up with 2 12 inch kickers in the rear. So you are telling me that i should replace my monsoon amp with a new one, and use one to power my frount speakers and one to do the rear? And upgrade my frounts to componets? What do you think about the spearkers in the middle?

[Ender2664]

http://www.edesignaudio.com/6000s_overview.htm
Those would be good for my frount componets right? Cause i really don't want to throw down 250 for just speakers if i am not going to see a large different in sound VOLUME.
http://www.edesignaudio.com/6000s_special.htm
Or is it much smarter to go with the amp that they are suggesting for the speakers? Cause i would like to keep my 6x9s if i don't have to and i allready have a extra amp sitting around my house that i can attach the 6x9s to without a problem. You can run 2 different speaker amps no problem right.
And finally why do you recomend this company so much over all the others, what makes them stand out, why should i give them my business over a much bigger company name?

[T-Punk]

well im glad you asked intelligent and thoughtfull questions. I will start with why i recomend elemental designs over almost any company. first off if you are building a system from the ground up they offer bigger discounts for the more you buy from them. Second the sound quality of their speakers is extremely good especially considering the price. Also they have some of the best suppor i have ever seen and if you go on and talk to a tech live you will see what i mean. i would deffinately recomend ditching the monsoon amp. Though it is a great stock system it really just falls short on power for aftermarket components. the 6000 components are not near the quality of the 6500. i havent hear the 6000's yet but after talking to the tech's (who are extremely honest from past experience) they dont hold nearly as true in louder volume scenario's (but are still better than most other speakers in this price range). I dont know that the 6500's are any louder but will keep audio integrity at higher volumes much better. if you go with the 6000's though i would recomend the nine.4 as the amp to get. this would allow you to run your fronts and rears. Your 6x9's will really not hit any frequencies that the 6.5 components and your subs cant cover and will cause you seperation to go down. I really hate 6x9's but its up to you. as for subs i really didnt understand you had any so that's why i added that. your other option for the sail panel speakers is to just run them of the head unit if you want to keep them. hope this helps you out some.

[Ender2664]

See i think you think i am going for something else then i am. I know that the componets and subs will hit all my frequencies, but i want more than that. I want a discustingly loud system. That is why i have the 6x9s in the rear anyway, i really want my system to project out of my car like no other. Otherwise i would ditch the 6x9s, they arn't there to hit new frequencies, they are there to boost the volume of sound in the car. I am into sound clarity, but not to much so. I think my stock speakers are clear enough(that is when they arn't blown) so if i upgrade to 6000s they will out preform my stock speakers. I don't mean to not take your advice i just know exactly what i am looking for.
Another question for you would be how resistant are these to blowing? Because like i said i play my stuff really loud and i don't want to blow these speakers all the time, like do they have a warantee, i would call and ask the manufactor, but you really seem like you know what you are talking about and i prefer to ask questions of people rather than the company.

[nda0602v6]

Don't turn the volume up so loud. Even the best speakers money can buy will blow if you crank everything full blast, its called distortion.

[T-Punk]

3 year against defects that doesnt mean if you are irresponsible with how you run it that they will honor it. now that said if you want spl and spl only you should still go with the 6500's. Here is why, the more resistant a speaker is to distortion the louder you can play it. this also means that the cleaner the signal going to the speaker the louder it can go. There are limits though like over excursion but you will tippically hear the flapping/distortion/noise and know that you need to lower the volume. This holds true more for mids and highs than subs as subs are much more durable in nature than mids and highs. the decision is up to you but if you want to be able to tell at all what is going on other than just plain noise ED is one of the best choices. Also what subs do you have? the solo's or the comp or what? i ask because the O series subs are loud as hell and very clear. they also only require like .75cft of air for a sealed box so you can fit 4 12's if you do it right. their 15's also dont take much airspace (comparatively) and you could probably fit 3 in a custom box. again its all up to you and how much you want to spend. oh, i forgot to mention if you want to go really custom you can fit 2 8" subs from illusion audio in your sails if you want to cut the metal around the stock 7"ers, just a thought.

[Ender2664]

I have 2 12inch kick vr comps, dual voice, i forget the rest of the specs on them. I am buying the custom t-top box from subthump cause my t-tops are like my favorite part of my car. The reason i have kickers i have work for a shop and i get them for dirt, so if i ever blow one it isn't a big deal cause the shop that sells them to me gives me new ones for free!. I like quality but i also love being able to be cheap. But i will go with these componets in the frount and get the better amp to play my 6x9s...now i will call my suppliers and see if i can find some louder 6x9s.

[Ender2664]

Isn't that amp with the speaker only a 2 channel? Then how will it power all of my speakers?

[T-Punk]

it wont unless you run it all in parrallel at 2 ohms. you said you had an extra amp for the 6x9's so i figured you would use that though. for the sails just use the stock amp for now or from your HU. as for 6x9's infinity has some cheap component 6x9's that are actually pretty nice (deffinately a step up from the sony's. I agree if you can get the kicker subs for cheap then go that rout and subthump makes some really nice boxes especially the t-top box. good luck with everything.

[96firebird311]

Originally posted by Ender2664:
I want a discustingly loud system. That is why i have the 6x9s in the rear anyway, i really want my system to project out of my car like no other.

I don't see this happening with what we are talking about here. Busy right now, I'll post more in a bit. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Ender2664]

So what would you suggest, cause i don't know what your definition of loud is but with the kids i play with how my system is set up right now i am the loudest anyone has ever heard. So i don't have to go to crazy, but i really would like to go louder and put some more clarity in the system while i am upgrading my damn blown stock factory speakers.

[Ender2664]

O yes and just to let you know so that you don't waist your breath i am not going to change my sub set up or my subs am...and i need a partial trunk. I want my car to sound sick, but it also needs to stay my daily driver. I would do the milhouse but that thing will only take 10s, and i like the sound of 12s. I am basically only looking for speaker and speaker amp recomendations, i don't want to change my face plate unless you can give me GREAT REASONS why.
I do want loud but your system is a little to hard core for me...i don't want to blow thousand upgrading my system.

[96firebird311]

I understand you don't want to even touch the subwoofer market. No problem. But you did say, in no uncertain terms, you want LOUD. But before we go any further, which speakers are blown? I noticed you kept mentioning the passenger side speakers and kinda referred to them as the subs. Just a note, the stock subs are the ones in the sail panels. (next to both rear seats)

Can we get some more info on the amp you already own? The one you were thinking of attached the 6x9's to? A specific model number would be ideal.

Sounds like you're not looking for top notch SQ but just all around loudness huh? Well....I guess..... hmmmm.... I have this vision in my head of someone rollin around with the bass bumpin and tweeters screaming. That's it. No midrange what so ever. Yes, it's loud. So loud in fact it hurts my ears....... but only because of the overpowering highs. Which is EXTREMELY common for those using co/tri-axils and 6x9's. I'm trying to steering you away from that. I cannot stress how important it is to have a solid midrange front and center. A quality component set will really help you here. You might even think about looking into a 2 or 3 ohm component set such as those from Image Dynamics. This will allow you to pull more power from your amp.