subs r comin in!

[Camaro Dom]

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I just kept it Kicker because I'm sure he bought them from Best Buy or Circuit City. Not a whole whole lot to choose from at those stores when it comes to high quality. Kicker and Alpine are decent. Far from "some of the best amp and sub in market" ..... :poke:..... but decent. You'll easily be happy with their performance.

To sum up my previous post.

One 750.1 = 750WRMS total and one amp and amp signal to connect

or

Two 300.1's = 300WRMS total and an added PITA to install

You decide if its worth the money difference.

As for the box, you have t-tops?

alright... well i know next to nothing about car audio really. like i got the basics kinda, and i can wire up circuits but when people start talking about specifics my eyes kinda glaze over... it sucks cuz i feel like a 16 year old girl in a mechanics shop...
I'm gonna stick w/ teh compvr's for 2 reasons: 1, i got a darn good price 4 them (again, steve's a pimp) and 2. cuz they're already in the mail.
Yes, i do have t-tops as far as the box is concerned.
This is the link to the place i bought the things from: http://www.cartunesstereo.com/products.asp?type=6 i specifically asked the guy if i really wanted to go with 2 amps rather than 1 and he gave me that kinda "i've been doin this since the 80's, i know what i'm doin" blah blah blah so i mean... i feel kinda hosed right now. i doubt they list every item they carry but those are the brands.
ok, so to totally reduce myself to noobie status, i got 2 12" compvr subs coming and they say 4 ohms. what is the best bang 4 the buck amp i can get. my price range is somewhere in the 300-350 range (tho, whatever i get i'm gonna get 30% off cuz thats what i bought those amps for and i'll be damned if they gyp me into paying full price for a different one). so i guess then that'd be what? like 450-475ish range...

[Earnhardt132000]

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Do you have to buy from that place? You could probably find a nice amp on the internet for way cheaper than what you would pay there, even with the 30% off.

Do you care if the box is under the rear window? Since you have T-tops, its either there or the T-top box from subthump.com (or you could try to make your own).

[Camaro Dom]

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i've been eye'in up 96firebird's cardomain and i'm pretty impressed w/ the job he did with his box. i might try something like that... honestly tho, the box can wait. i gotta get these amps off my hands NOW, while they;ll still take em back.

I know i can go online, but i just like good ol' brick and mortar stores honestly... and JL Audio agrees with me so i think i'll stick to that. i know they're a well respected company so i doubt they'd steer me wrong. http://mobile.jlaudio.com/jlaudio_pages.php?page_id=111

[96firebird311]

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Kicker makes quality gear. Rarely can someone give a blanket statement such as " Brand XXX is only good for slamming loud. All their subs sound like cr@p." You cannot give this statement about Kicker's equipment. SO much more goes into making the final sound you hear. Oh and ps..... its SOUND PRESSURE LEVEL = SPL . :D

i specifically asked the guy if i really wanted to go with 2 amps rather than 1 and he gave me that kinda "i've been doin this since the 80's, i know what i'm doin" blah blah blah

Wow. Honestly, I'd return the amps you bought and buy from somewhere else. You can probably match your 30% on Ebay and not limit yourself to those brands specifically. Plus someone obviously doesn't know what the hell they're talking about and caused you to waste your time and money..... thats reason enough for me to take my business elsewhere.

You just need a 1-channel amp (often called mono amp). Just stick with a major brand and you'll be fine. Stay away from flea market brands such as Pyle, Pyramid, Rockwood, Thump, etc. You can easily get a very nice amp for that price range. Watch the rated power output AT 2 OHMS. This is how you will wire your Kicker Comp VRs to the amp:

Please read the stereo entry in the modifications encyclopedia too.

Fitting in two 12"s and keeping your t-top storage is tough. Your best/high quality option is the t-top box. Tons of people on this board use it and are very happy with it. A good portion of the pics you see on the subthump website are members from this board.
http://www.subthump.com/acamarottop.htm

[Camaro Dom]

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yeah, i was just reading thru it. i still dont get all this ohms crap tho. i know ohms=resistance and i understand current=voltage x resistance (or somethign like that) but if the subs are rated at 4 ohms, it seems logical to me to look for something at 4 ohms. obviously i'm wrong but why tho?

EDIT: so with both subs at 400 rms, where do i wanna be at with the amps wattage?

[Camaro Dom]

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gah! i'm freakin out. i really need ot find a good lil "bible" to walk me thru this stuff. i understand most of whats in the FAQ but there are so many questions that i still need 2 have answered...

EDIT: ok i took your advice (and smacked myself for not searching) and i'm lookin thru the guide. i get it resistance now (kinda) and i see how to wire but the links to the pix are broken in there. i'll keep searching so i dont trouble u guys with retarded questions agian but i feel a bit stressed cuz i know i'm playin around w/ a couple hundred bucks and i haven't much of a clue whats going on yet. it doesnt help that the salespeople that are supposed to guide u thru this obviously are clueless.

[RadRacer]

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Oh and ps..... its SOUND PRESSURE LEVEL = SPL . :D

My bad. Still fairly new at this stuff too, yet I've got the jist of it down. Feel I have enough knowledge to help another member out :D


As for wiring, just use this: http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/rftech/woofer_wizard.asp . They also have one for a box to help calculate the airspace. Just do a quick google on the subs you're getting, and you'll find a recommended airspace, RMS wattage (what they usually play at. Recommended running wattage so you don't blow them), peak wattage (max they can handle, but not constantly), etc. And you didn't need to smack yourself......we would have been more than happy to do it for you :P

[00 Silver 6]

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Kicker makes quality gear. Rarely can someone give a blanket statement such as " Brand XXX is only good for slamming loud. All their subs sound like cr@p." You cannot give this statement about Kicker's equipment.

im just talking from experience... ive heard nearly all of kicker's equipment in cars, from their round subs to their square subs. none of them had SQ that made me say "wow that sounds nice!" my W7 tuned for SPL only sounded a hell of a lot better, and a majority of the time was louder too. not to mention ive heard better sounding 15's for SQ then any of kicker's square subs.

edit: im really not saying kicker is terrible, im just saying that kicker is most definately not the be-all-end-all of car stereo. id probably never buy their equipment for my cars, that doesnt mean they are a horrible company

[stevethepirate]

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im just talking from experience... ive heard nearly all of kicker's equipment in cars, from their round subs to their square subs. none of them had SQ that made me say "wow that sounds nice!" my W7 tuned for SPL only sounded a hell of a lot better, and a majority of the time was louder too. not to mention ive heard better sounding 15's for SQ then any of kicker's square subs.

edit: im really not saying kicker is terrible, im just saying that kicker is most definately not the be-all-end-all of car stereo. id probably never buy their equipment for my cars, that doesnt mean they are a horrible company

thats understandable. everyone has their own preferences. ive had loads of ricers in my car who are car audio fanatics, and they all said these subs sounded amazing.

these are the subs

[96firebird311]

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but if the subs are rated at 4 ohms, it seems logical to me to look for something at 4 ohms. obviously i'm wrong but why tho?

EDIT: so with both subs at 400 rms, where do i wanna be at with the amps wattage?

Because you have TWO 4 ohm subwoofers. If you were to wire them each to their own ZX300.1, you would get 150WRMS to each. Do you see why? Because the ZX300.1 is rated to output 300WRMS@ 2ohms. You have a 4 ohm subwoofer on each.

If you wire your subs together in parallel, and you use the formula in the modifications encyc, you get a final load of 1 ohm on an amp. SOOOO now you find an amp that does roughly 800WRMS x 1 channel @ 1ohm. Power handling of your subs is always highly dependant on the box they are in. Odds are great you'll be using a simple smaller sized sealed box. You could most likely over power them a bit without issues. So don't ruin yourself looking for an amp that does EXACTLY 800W.

As previously mentioned, you need to be looking at the RMS power out. Not peak or max ratings.

[woswill]

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Anyone got 1 300 or 400 wat amp and 1 12" or 10" for sale?

[RadRacer]

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Anyone got 1 300 or 400 wat amp and 1 12" or 10" for sale?

I've got a friend with 2 10's and an amp for sale. I think he wants $250 for it all, I'll double check though. They're Depth Charge subs I believe. I never heard them, he bought them to put in his truck, but then found a JL Audio set-up instead, so.....It has all the wiring too I think (again, not too sure, but will check). They're in a fairly small box that I think will either fit in the trunk space, or will fit in the upper area of the back hatch.

[Earnhardt132000]

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Aren't the CompVRs DVC? So he would be wiring 2 4ohm DVC subs, which would give a final impedance of 1ohm. So you should be looking for a mono-channel amp that outputs 800WRMS @ 1ohm. Sorry if I'm wrong with all this, I thought they were DVC...



And if you want to learn a little bit more about car audio, check out www.bcae1.com. It will teach a lot.

[Camaro Dom]

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yeah, tehy are dvc... and

Anyone got 1 300 or 400 wat amp and 1 12" or 10" for sale?

Dont hijack my damn thread! i'm crappin my pants with all this :twak: go to "wanted" or "for sale" and look stuff up

[Camaro Dom]

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Aren't the CompVRs DVC? So he would be wiring 2 4ohm DVC subs, which would give a final impedance of 1ohm. So you should be looking for a mono-channel amp that outputs 800WRMS @ 1ohm. Sorry if I'm wrong with all this, I thought they were DVC...



And if you want to learn a little bit more about car audio, check out www.bcae1.com. It will teach a lot.

yeah, thats what the guys been talkin about. he said i could wire a single amp up for 4 or 1 ohm. 4 ohms would half the output while 1 ohm would make the amp protect itself. they said that the amps would be underpowering the subs a bit but b/c fbodies dont really have a trunk wall and b/c i really only am lookin for some extra juice to level out the sound when the t-tops are off that'd i'd be fine.