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  • #16
    Re: John D. Power wrap question

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    I will keep you all posted on the developments as they happen. And as always any input is greatly appreciated. :)

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    Thats the stock PD belt routing th JD wrap should have more percent on the superchager pulley than the stock belt routing for it, since your cammed you will lose about 2-3 PSI in boost , so it will be hard to get the PSI #'s up there but your still going to be making good power. I lost 2-3 PSI after my cam went in and P/P heads, intakes on a 3.12 grooved ASP pulley. So I was only making like 2-4 PSI tops after that , so then I went with a 2.9 ASP pulley and then 2.8 and finally a 2.6 ASP pulley(also make sure you get them in steel, ALM will warp when it gets too hot). The 2.6 Got me back up to 8 PSI average with spikes to 11-12 PSI which is normal. so a 2.8 should be around 6-7 PSI which should be enough. I had to rebuild mine quite a few times running the 2.6" pulley becuase of it stressing the internal belt and bearings, this was with the 928 ceramic bearings, venting and shiming. Also I found Dayco and Gatorback belts the best to run, if you have it too tight you will actually lose PSI from it slipping or putting too much stress on the input shaft so its harder for the PD to spin its impellar. Just things I learnedd with mine along the way when I experimented doing stuff. Also after some good driving and the belt has strechted (which it will over time you'll need to tighten it). Just have the belt from the ALT. to the power steering just tight enough where you can turn the belt at least 90 degrees or you can press down on it and have it flex down about a inch. Hope this helps, I know I spent along time with my PD, might want to read some of my old posts on it.
    Last edited by ssms5411; 11-16-2010, 01:29 AM.
    08' L76 6.0L 4X4 Chevy EXT.Cab LTZ Vortec MAX with Snug top cover, Dynomax exhaust,Hptuners& K&N intake
    96' Camaro M5 to A4 conversion, alot of mods . GT35R Turbo full suspension. Built engine

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    • #17
      Re: John D. Power wrap question

      Originally posted by ssms5411 View Post
      [
      I will keep you all posted on the developments as they happen. And as always any input is greatly appreciated. :)






      Thats the stock PD belt routing th JD wrap should have more percent on the superchager pulley than the stock belt routing for it, since your cammed you will lose about 2-3 PSI in boost , so it will be hard to get the PSI #'s up there but your still going to be making good power. I lost 2-3 PSI after my cam went in and P/P heads, intakes on a 3.12 grooved ASP pulley. So I was only making like 2-4 PSI tops after that , so then I went with a 2.9 ASP pulley and then 2.8 and finally a 2.6 ASP pulley(also make sure you get them in steel, ALM will warp when it gets too hot). The 2.6 Got me back up to 8 PSI average with spikes to 11-12 PSI which is normal. so a 2.8 should be around 6-7 PSI which should be enough. I had to rebuild mine quite a few times running the 2.6" pulley becuase of it stressing the internal belt and bearings, this was with the 928 ceramic bearings, venting and shiming. Also I found Dayco and Gatorback belts the best to run, if you have it too tight you will actually lose PSI from it slipping or putting too much stress on the input shaft so its harder for the PD to spin its impellar. Just things I learnedd with mine along the way when I experimented doing stuff. Also after some good driving and the belt has strechted (which it will over time you'll need to tighten it). Just have the belt from the ALT. to the power steering just tight enough where you can turn the belt at least 90 degrees or you can press down on it and have it flex down about a inch. Hope this helps, I know I spent along time with my PD, might want to read some of my old posts on it.
      Steve thank you for your input, after all the experience you had with the powerdyne it is greatly appreciated. With that said below are some of my thoughts at this point, just putting them out there.

      From what i understand the stock powerdyne routing is as follows; crank, powerdyne, ac, etc... where as the John_d power wrap is as follows; crank, ac, powerdyne, etc... If you compare the John_D power wrap image in post #3 to what i am proposing you will notice that the new sequence would be as follows; Crank, Water Pump, AC, Powerdyne, etc... By doing this i am putting the powerdyne closer to the begining of the line where the slack generated as the crank accelerates is less likly to affect pully performance. Think of the belt like a stock timing chain, as the crank sproket rotates it creates tension on one side and slack on the other which needs to be taken up by the chain dampner, it may not be as apparent as the timing chain example but trust me it does exist. It is part of the whole for every reaction there is an equal and opposite reaction. All belts will stretch to a certain point, some worse than others. I'm sure getting a better belt will help immensly but i think that there is still room for improvment. I also highly doubt that im losing 6.5 psi of my 9psi pully due to a low restriction setup; cam and whatnot. I'm just saying that i belive that this may be another solution. I will start by getting a better belt brand, cross cutting the pully, I can do that at work, and then finally making that bracket and altering the belt routing.
      Daily: '02 Black Yukon Denali
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      • #18
        Re: John D. Power wrap question

        Just a little update, got the peices cut for the new bracket. I will be test fitting them tonight and marking where the need to be welded. Should have some pics up soon.
        Daily: '02 Black Yukon Denali
        Toy: '06 Torrid Red GTO
        Gone: Powerdyned '02 Pewter Camaro
        Gone: '07 Charcoal Yamaha R6
        Gone: Ex-wife, lol

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        • #19
          Re: John D. Power wrap question

          I had a idea for it along time ago but never thought of welding on another pulley , let me see if I kept some of my drawing setups , becuase it was a outstanding routing system that would of put like 80 % or so around the supercharger. With your cam yo will lose 2-3 PSI but your still making the power(I made a post after my motor rebuild in 03' an posted my results) just watch your IAT's during the summer if your in hot weather the PD will take a beating) the internal belt will take some abuse, same goes for a intercooler it will take 2-3 PSI but like said the PD def. likes the methanol injection or some nitrous to cool down intake temps. I tried so many setup's on it and ideas it was crazy, but AZ I think was too hot for it DD. Good luck on your pulley setup.
          08' L76 6.0L 4X4 Chevy EXT.Cab LTZ Vortec MAX with Snug top cover, Dynomax exhaust,Hptuners& K&N intake
          96' Camaro M5 to A4 conversion, alot of mods . GT35R Turbo full suspension. Built engine

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          • #20
            Re: John D. Power wrap question

            Took some measurements this morning before i left for work. Cut all the peices and got them welded toghether. Will test fit it when i get home and take some pics so you can see what im doing. Wish me luck.
            Daily: '02 Black Yukon Denali
            Toy: '06 Torrid Red GTO
            Gone: Powerdyned '02 Pewter Camaro
            Gone: '07 Charcoal Yamaha R6
            Gone: Ex-wife, lol

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            • #21
              Re: John D. Power wrap question

              It's no turbo but any FI is badass in my book. Good luck!

              TEAM C6V6

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              • #22
                Re: John D. Power wrap question

                Just an idea. What if you remove the water pump impeller from the stock pump and then just use the stock belt routing?

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                • #23
                  Re: John D. Power wrap question

                  Originally posted by 3.4grapeofwrath View Post
                  Just an idea. What if you remove the water pump impeller from the stock pump and then just use the stock belt routing?
                  The electric pump takes place of the stock pump.

                  TEAM C6V6

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                  • #24
                    Re: John D. Power wrap question

                    Originally posted by Blizzard242 View Post
                    The electric pump takes place of the stock pump.
                    Understood but if you remove the stock water pump impeller (blades only) the belt can stay on the water pump pulley. Basically turns the water pump into an idler pulley. If he wants to eliminate the stock water pump the belt has to bypass it.

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                    • #25
                      Re: John D. Power wrap question

                      Originally posted by 3.4grapeofwrath View Post
                      Understood but if you remove the stock water pump impeller (blades only) the belt can stay on the water pump pulley. Basically turns the water pump into an idler pulley. If he wants to eliminate the stock water pump the belt has to bypass it.
                      That is just not doable.

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                      • #26
                        Re: John D. Power wrap question

                        Originally posted by 3.4grapeofwrath View Post
                        Understood but if you remove the stock water pump impeller (blades only) the belt can stay on the water pump pulley. Basically turns the water pump into an idler pulley. If he wants to eliminate the stock water pump the belt has to bypass it.
                        That would mean he would have to remove his electric pump, and install the stock pump with the blades removed. He would then have no water pump at all. Let me rephrase, the electric pump takes the exact place of the stock pump.

                        TEAM C6V6

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                        • #27
                          Re: John D. Power wrap question

                          Originally posted by Blizzard242 View Post
                          That would mean he would have to remove his electric pump, and install the stock pump with the blades removed. He would then have no water pump at all. Let me rephrase, the electric pump takes the exact place of the stock pump.
                          I was thinking of an inline electric water pump. I guess your describing one that mounts to the oem location.

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                          • #28
                            Re: John D. Power wrap question

                            Originally posted by 3.4grapeofwrath View Post
                            I was thinking of an inline electric water pump. I guess your describing one that mounts to the oem location.
                            Interesting thought indeed. Do you have a pic of a setup with an inline pump? Or is that what you're using?
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                            • #29
                              Re: John D. Power wrap question

                              Originally posted by 3.4grapeofwrath View Post
                              I was thinking of an inline electric water pump. I guess your describing one that mounts to the oem location.
                              lol, I had a feeling that's what you thought it was. Check some out, if they weren't so costly I'd get one.

                              TEAM C6V6

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                              • #30
                                Re: John D. Power wrap question

                                Originally posted by pace2006 View Post
                                Interesting thought indeed. Do you have a pic of a setup with an inline pump? Or is that what you're using?
                                I thought about using an inline pump but never did it. I was also looking into a reverse flow set up to cool the heads first.
                                http://www.prpracingproducts.com/pro...ter+Pumps.html
                                Last edited by 3.4grapeofwrath; 11-20-2010, 06:39 AM.

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