Remote m90

[Watazz]

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I probably wouldn't have much faith in anything made under the influence of crown royal reserve lol

[Watazz]

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wish i could add boost without knock!

More fuel, less timing! It would still be a tuning nightmare

[LETZRIDE]

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i really want to do this. but not gonna scrap my turbo setup for it... i think its genius and if u don't have to go the 50 cutting disc route... ie using plasma cutter... makes it tons easier and theres definitely some shock value to it.

well, I don't have a plasma cutter...but I can get like 50 discs for like 20$ lol.

What I like about the m90 is you can mount it any which way, upside down etc. I would love to run twin m90s...but I figure I should get one working first.

Easiest place I can think to mount it for myself is where the AC used to be...leaves me lots of room for piping etc, and I think I'd be low enough that I wouldn't have to worry about the firewall behind it (I'd have to look when I take the car back out)

I also like the m62 which seems to be a little smaller of a unit...

Or optionally the m90 of a T-bird is already a remote mount supercharge...so I don't believe you would have to machine a plate for the bottom/outlet area as they already have a piece (and it says 3.8 :D)

I've often wondered what a T-bird m90 fully ported/polished would be good for on a motor like ours power wise...

[LETZRIDE]

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Any pics of how the bracket was made to hold that thing?

I know this was already done by several people on their 2.8-3.4, but I haven't seen anyone with a 3.8 do it to theirs. I figure there's a lot of issues with the room.

No pictures that I know of of brackets really...other then I saw one really crude looking one on a twin m90'd 3rd gen bird.

I can't see it being a room issue...if that LS1 can fit it, we certainly shouldn't have a problem...and remember, you can mount them any which way you please...which makes it that much more versatile.

[Watazz]

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Or optionally the m90 of a T-bird is already a remote mount supercharge...so I don't believe you would have to machine a plate for the bottom/outlet area as they already have a piece (and it says 3.8 :D)

I've often wondered what a T-bird m90 fully ported/polished would be good for on a motor like ours power wise...

not sure but there is a vid of a supercoupe on youtube putting down 433hp with a 2.0L whipple at 18psi.
they typically put down close to 300hp with little effort. And if im not mistaken the for 3.8L is not that great of a motor.


For us I think a port/polished intercooled m90 running 12psi would yield over 300hp. Would sound insane also.

[thebeewantsboost]

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sounds like a good opportunity for somebody to make a lil extra cash building kits. i'd be intirested in doing it if i had a car to mock it up on.

[2.8 Bird]

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No pictures that I know of of brackets really...other then I saw one really crude looking one on a twin m90'd 3rd gen bird.

I can't see it being a room issue...if that LS1 can fit it, we certainly shouldn't have a problem...and remember, you can mount them any which way you please...which makes it that much more versatile.

Oh no, I'm not saying that it can't be done. I'm just saying that I haven't seen a 3.8 with it and I'm assumming it's not attracting a lot of us to do it because of the room issue with 90* engine. It's so much easier with 60* engine.

Yes, it can be done if an LS1 already did it.

[LETZRIDE]

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Oh no, I'm not saying that it can't be done. I'm just saying that I haven't seen a 3.8 with it and I'm assumming it's not attracting a lot of us to do it because of the room issue with 90* engine. It's so much easier with 60* engine.

Yes, it can be done if an LS1 already did it.

I often wonder though if things don't get done by us is because a) we overthink things sometimes and try and go the more complicated route of having it like the gtp's do; b) don't always have the know how/fab skills; C) the guys that do have the fab skills end up going with hardcore setups rather than a smaller "less efficient" setup (for their needs) like this; D) some of these guys just aren't on the net...I've seen a bunch of m90 supercharged f-bodies start popping up as of lately

Not disagreeing with you, you could be right...but makes me wonder...

[Pewter02Camaro]

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If it were that easy and worth the effort everybody would be doing it.

[LETZRIDE]

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Everybody for every other kinda car is doing it...I mean just google it...its on everything from civics, to jeeps, to trucks...you name it and someone has a remote m90 on it...

[Pewter02Camaro]

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Everybody for every other kinda car is doing it...I mean just google it...its on everything from civics, to jeeps, to trucks...you name it and someone has a remote m90 on it...

You mean some people on some other cars are doing it, a very small percentage of the whole im sure.

As for our cars why would you spend time fabbing/machining for a remote mount when you can fab/machine and have it look relativly clean/stock. I personally would never do a remote mount M90 simply based on how tacky the setup would look.

Also for the amount of time and money involved you can scrounge together a centrifigal setup and have it look clean and be just as versitile.

Bottom line is this:
can it be done?----------------------------------------------------Yes.
Does it work?------------------------------------------------------Yes.
Is it for everbody?--------------------------------------------------No.
Does it look tacky?-------------------------------------------------personal opinion
Are there better setups for the same amount of work/money?----Yes.
Is this a better option for us guys?----------------------------------Personal opinion

[LETZRIDE]

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Adding a Turbo/SC in general is a small whole doesn't matter what kinda car you talk about.

Tacky for me doesn't matter...I'll be honest with you, my engine bay isn't the cleanest/nicest looking anyways...I got wires coming out my wazooo for all the extra stuff I run like the ewp.

Best option? Depends what you want/need?...most power? Not by a longshot...but for under 500$ I'm sure it will give you a good kick in the pants...and I bet it can be done for under 500$

I'm gunna see what it will take to fab it up come the warmer weather and when the car comes out of storage...this is something I can work on in the spare time cause I don't have to pull the motor apart to do it...

If it works out how I think it will, will it be good bang/dollar?...yes

[thebeewantsboost]

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absolutely! and if you want it to look stock buy a gtp. i mean, i think they look pretty cool. some people might do a hack job. but i think some of the setups i've seen were pretty clean. especially the twin ls1 blowers. bang for the buck probably can't be beat. i've never even heard this talked about until recently, and i'm sure that's why it hasn't taken off in the 3.8/3.4 fbody world. my only concern is it not making enough horsepower to validate buying expensive tuning software. but if you already have it, no big deal.

[LETZRIDE]

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I agree with the hp numbers...I'd like to know how much guys see with the gtp m90, the ford T bird m90 (really want to know the t-bird m90), the m62, and the M112 superchargers...even if its something like 50rwhp (which I should hope should not be hard to attain) if the cost is 500$ or so...that's not unreasonable at all...hell people spend 300$ for intakes that give you 7hp...

I still would like to know if the m90 requires coolant running through it though? And as far as blow off valves go, is it built into the m90's or do you have to buy one seperate?

[Meemperor]

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I agree with the hp numbers...I'd like to know how much guys see with the gtp m90, the ford T bird m90 (really want to know the t-bird m90), the m62, and the M112 superchargers...even if its something like 50rwhp (which I should hope should not be hard to attain) if the cost is 500$ or so...that's not unreasonable at all...hell people spend 300$ for intakes that give you 7hp...

I still would like to know if the m90 requires coolant running through it though? And as far as blow off valves go, is it built into the m90's or do you have to buy one seperate?

M90 doesn't require coolant running through it, if you were to have TB after the rotors yes you would need a BOV. If you have the TB in front of the rotors like a GTP there is no need for that.

M90 on GTP is a better rotor design than the one on the T-bird. There was also a series one 3800 S/C, but that was a first gen M62 IIRC.

M112 works fairly well, but only if you're already heavily modified because it takes more HP to drive the larger blower.

M62 is a little small for a 3800.

M90 obviously is just the right size, Gen III is okay but Gen V is much MUCH better. The limits with iron heads on a 3800 is 350-380whp. There are others that are higher but good luck getting there.

You probably CAN do it for $500 or less, but it will be really ghetto most likely. I am curious about the gains though., because undeniably it will work, it's a positive displacement blower so the air isn't actually compressed inside the supercharger. So it has to compress the air all the way from where ever you have mounted it. Seems like you would lose a lot of efficiency.