so when are some of you going to stop foolin around...

[njspder]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by lord_gufi:
and UP DA BOOST.

Come on, I may be a dsmer but I wanna see some one boost their engine 22 PSI or Higher.

Low overlap cam with some nice lobes should be nice!, port them heads, COME ON GUYS!<hr></blockquote>

DSM= 8:1 compression, 3.8= 9.4:1. that is several psi that can't be run on teh street.
DSM= low overlap cams stock, 3.8 = a ton of overlap to help with emissions
DSM= a bunch of after market ecu's, daughter boards, and pms controllers, 3.8= a stock flash programmable pcm without much aftermarket tunign software yet.

i know with a purpose built engine and a lot of money to spend on dyno/programming time that 22psi into a pushrod V6 can be done. but it is a bit different than starting with a car that runs 12-14 and knowing that a simple boost controller change can make 16-18psi very safe on an otherwise stock motor.
i learned all this on my bro's 1G talon years ago. they are nice cars, but i woudl still rather have 6cyl's than 4. [img]smile.gif[/img]

later
tim

[-red97rum-]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by njspder:


DSM= 8:1 compression, 3.8= 9.4:1. that is several ago.

I woudl still rather have 6cyl's than 4. [img]smile.gif[/img]

later
tim<hr></blockquote>

Not flaming but... Actually no DSM's came with 8:1 compression.
1st gens have 7.8:1 c/r pretty close to 8:1 [img]tongue.gif[/img]
2nd gens have 8.5:1 c/r

You obviously have never driven in an 11 second all wheel drive DSM.

I think I have some new found hope in my camaro by building a turbo kit! I got less that a year to pay the biotch off. lol we'll see what happens.

[img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img]

[njspder]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by -red97rum-:


You obviously have never driven in an 11 second all wheel drive DSM.

[img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img] <hr></blockquote>

never an 11sec car, but there is a 12.4 sec car that i prolly drove a hundred times. nice autocross car taht belonged to a friend of mine. a bit of understeer under power, but it went liek hell when you pointed it straight.
simple fact is that you are not likely to see any reliability if you crank up the boost on a f-bod v6. dsm's were designed for turbo, forged pistons and such. teh cast crap and higher compression of teh push rod motor shoudl eb enough to keep any mildly intelligent person away from tryin to push 20psi and think it is gonna be reliable.

later
tim

[lord_gufi]

so change all of those components out =).

and to tell the truth there are just as many ECU's out there for your car as Mine. you can hookup ANY haltec ecu to a 3.8 and it will run. I cant nor will say it will be smog legal but eh its got Hella tuneability. Thats where we share Fate. the 4g63 and the 3.8 are ALL about tuning. to tell the truth both engines are alot alike in that aspect. Neither have a huge space to keep them happy, they will both run ****ty but keep going no matter what. My car is pretty slow for the Mods I have to tell the truth, a 14.2 is Shabby for 13 psi. I know what problems I had so I think I can pull .4 more outa the car with a fuel pump rewire and to adjust the Base Idle.

the 3.8 HATES knock as does the 2.0. the 3.8 responds to boost like a Crack whore does to a fix, as does the 2.0. The 3.8 Has enough of a aftermarket to be a Huge competitor, most just wont do research to figure out that fact is true as far as engine internals go.

I want to see a 3.8 with 15 psi run the 1/4. Thats what I wanna see or hell even 22-30 psi. if shane can pull a 12.9 from his at 7 psi Imagin what the engine can do with 22+ and the correct tuning and fuel.

[njspder]

i fall you are interested in is seeing a big boost number maybe we should all convert to diesal whiel we are at it. 20:1 static + about 36psi is a ton of fun to drive. of course you have to shift at 3000rpm to keep it in the torque band...hehe.
i think that the time to see soem serious boosted build ups for this gen of the V6 is coming. it is expensive to be on teh cutting edge of soemthing liek this though. so expect it to take at least all of next year before you see anyone with anything that is really consistant with more than 10psi.
when i was talkin about the computer thing i meant that dsm's have more stuff available that retains emmissions compliance. there are a host of daughter boards and pms systems for the imports that keep all the tree huggers happy. unfortunately that market is mostly limited to swapping pcm's from different year cars for the domestics.
if i had my choice everyone would be runnign a motec with 6coils and an inductive pick up that is cam timed and be fully sequential with 4D maps(yes, everyone does need $10k of injection equipment [img]smile.gif[/img] )

later
tim

[Tyler]

give me about 5 years. i garantee ill be in the 10's. [img]smile.gif[/img]


just gotta wait till i finish up with school. [img]graemlins/fluffy.gif[/img]

[Night Rider]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by lord_gufi:
and UP DA BOOST.

Come on, I may be a dsmer but I wanna see some one boost their engine 22 PSI or Higher. <hr></blockquote>

Whoa, i don't think my gtp could handle that kinda of boost. :eek: That would have to be a small azz pulley & sh*t load of supporting modds.

[mattsv6]

gimme till spring time and i will be in the 10's. i jsut need too square away all my oiling issues and have some free time too work on the car. it is crazy busy here

[KBeezy]

when I have my Audi 1.8T A4 Quattro this Spring you will see some awesome boost numbers of about 27 PSI :D

[NSolano]

according to the guys at EB they said that we could run about 9-10psi with stock internals.
They recommend aftermarket heads, gaskets, etc. and we could use about 18-20 psi. I dont dare to get my turbo yet that is why i am considering an engine swap, may be a litle more expensive but I know what to expect. I have not heard of any 3.8's with high boost run the 1/4. At least give us some times so we know what to expect.
I am guessing with 18psi a 3.8 could run a 12.0 quarter. correct me if I am wrong.

[Timbo1969]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by NSolano:
according to the guys at EB they said that we could run about 9-10psi with stock internals.
They recommend aftermarket heads, gaskets, etc. and we could use about 18-20 psi. I dont dare to get my turbo yet that is why i am considering an engine swap, may be a litle more expensive but I know what to expect. I have not heard of any 3.8's with high boost run the 1/4. At least give us some times so we know what to expect.
I am guessing with 18psi a 3.8 could run a 12.0 quarter. correct me if I am wrong.<hr></blockquote>
Try low 11's or high 10's if it's out of a t04 with a good wheel. Shane is running 12.8's on 7 psi with stock internals. So I would expect a built 3.8 with P&P'd heads and forged internals to run at worst 11's.