motor rebuild complete

[Tiago]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Mikael:


Well, to put it bluntly, you thought incorrectly.

The BD11A has already been proven flow to 500hp+<hr></blockquote>

yea the v6 powerdyne that has trouble pushing even 9-10 psi and is not rated to live past anything over that. :rolleyes:

[Riles]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Tiago:


yea the v6 powerdyne that has trouble pushing even 9-10 psi and is not rated to live past anything over that. :rolleyes: <hr></blockquote>

Actually, it is rated to 12-13 psi. How come the ATI kit is designed to push 9 psi and this is considered hardcore, but the powerdyne pushing 9 psi doesnt matter? There are even people running 9 intercooled psi on the powerdyne, yet for some reason, people still look down upon them. Slippage is no longer a problem as there are many solutions now.

I'm not saying the powerdyne is better than the ATI, but I'm also not saying anything bad about the powerdyne. I think people just enjoy looking down upon the powerdyne without actually basing their opinions on facts.

Whatever :rolleyes:

[98GREENGLOW]

Well I do love my powerdyne and I just ordered a custom 10 pound pully from asp racing sense belt slippidge is no longer an issue..... However, with a built motor like that he could easily go past the 10-12 psi the powerdyne can handle. For my stock engine the 10 psi from the powerdyne will be very close to too much for my engine. He could easily be running 15 OR MORE POUNDS from another FI system. I see were Tiago is coming from, he just should have worded it a little different sense he is a MAJOR competitor in the v6 FI FBOD world. If anyone else had said the same comment we wouldnt even be talking about it. Good luck SSM. GO GET THAT THING DYNOED!

[imported_admin]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Riles:
There are even people running 9 intercooled psi on the powerdyne, yet for some reason, people still look down upon them.<hr></blockquote>

None of them have posted dyno numbers or track times worth mentioning--thus, no one respects them.

There have been several Powerdyne owners in the high 14 range, a few even in the 15's. The fastest Powerdyne on record is Shirl with a recorded time of 13.9 boost-only. When was the last time you heard of a fully tuned Procharged or turbo'd car run that poorly? 13.9 with a $3500 supercharger is pretty weak.

Mind you, I'm not saying Powerdynes suck, I'm just saying they still have not been proven. The Vector kit has been around since 1997 with dozens and dozens of people running it, yet none have posted times or dynos. Why not??? I'd love to see some numbers--lets me know what I'm competing against!

[John_D.]

I want to know too... As soon as the tracks open again this spring, I'll share... [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Riles]

I wasn't saying that the powerdyne is better than the ATI kit- I know that the new ATI kit is better because it runs on the ribbed side and includes an intercooler and pcm programming.

What I was saying is that you can push the powerdyne up to some good numbers with some work (and pcm programming). I ran a 14.2 on a slipping clutch. The fact that the kit made my 20,000 mile old clutch slip makes me realize the potential it has.

Looks like there will be new battles on the board- Powerdyne people vs. ATI people vs. Turbo people. Hey, maybe we can make them into classes at a race day. Haha.

Oh well, the point is that I'm not trying to argue with anybody, all I was trying to say is that the powerdyne can be pushed to higher boost levels than any of us have tried, and it looks like a few of us will be trying it in the near future.

[Mighty Thor]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Stefan:


Mind you, I'm not saying Powerdynes suck, I'm just saying they still have not been proven. The Vector kit has been around since 1997 with dozens and dozens of people running it, yet none have posted times or dynos. Why not??? I'd love to see some numbers--lets me know what I'm competing against!<hr></blockquote>

Actually the kit has been around since '95. James had in his 95 V6 Camaro when the 3.8 first came out. There's alot of V6er's running with the PD and I used to know alot of them. So far, I am the only original Vector Perf. member here. Why the others never posted or joined this site is beyond me. But then again there are 4 12 sec. V6 NA that are not registered here either. That goes to show that this site does not represent the V6's F-body owners entirely.

James, told me that his Camaro that is now in Florida ran 13.2 on 9psi, that beats Shirl's 13.9. A V6 Mustang featured in Hot Rod and a member of V6Power.org ran 12.8 with 8psi Powerdyne. I think its possible for us to make 12 sec. with the PD. It's just not going to be me for several reasons.

The only thing I'm disappointed is that you guys don't give any moral support, instead you put it down and call it fisher toy. It's like a V8 looking down on a V6, with no respect.

With all these new kits coming out, you guys are forgetting about the one that started it all. And some of you have used the Powerdyne as a template for your kit. I've said it before, I have never meet a PD owner or former PD owner that has been disappointed with it. All of them have shown much appreciation.

[Tiago]

jeez, in no way shape or form did I ever intend what I said to be taken in this manner, it was just a comment on how that build up is worthy of alot more power/boost ;) no matter how he should achieve that power.

I believe a powerdyne at whatever boost it can throw out will not kill a stock motor if tuned properly.

[ December 18, 2003: Message edited by: Tiago ]</p>

[cammed3800]

3500.00? should have done an ls1 swap

[Tiago]

I am deleteing all these replies that are out of subject once again. You wannabe/haters can keep your opinion to yourself. Ive ran many many 13.5s at 106 on 7 psi alone this shows about 325 rwhp. On the dyno day I experimented with boost levels, up to 16 psi which yielded not good results, thats all that needs to be said about that. Back to subject.

[ December 18, 2003: Message edited by: Tiago ]</p>

[hawgs]

I am happy for you ssms5411, even if others aren't. Sounds like you have a good strong motor, and I wish you the best with it.

[Timbo1969]

Cool. I do agree the powerdyne hasn't created enough boost on a V6 to warrant a full on performance rebuild. Unless you are pushing over 10 consistently there is really no need for it.

Anyway the rebuild does sound like a solid job and congrats on it.

[ December 18, 2003: Message edited by: Timbo1969 ]</p>

[Shirl]

The Powerdyne has a lot of potential just as any other blower. It WAS the ONE that started it all. As for not proving itself...Stefan, You yourself posted about how you are "intrigued" with my ET's and now want to copy my setup... Pretty ironic, huh? I'm wondering why you ALWAYS have to mention my name when posting negativity about the Powerdyne? Bottom line is, my car is fast as holy hell and I use a.....say it with me now...POWERDYNE SUPERCHARGER. Even better, there's still more to come, when I'm ready for the next step. The 9psi pulley is sitting right next me now. As for some of the other turbo/blown people, don't try and say you ran low 13's or 12's with JUST the blower. It makes me laugh when I read some of these posts. They are so misleading. Some of you have so much work done, it's not even funny. Rather than say: "I ran mid 13's with a 6psi turbo" SAY: "I ran mid 13's with 6psi, full exhaust, cam, headwork, porting, intake, forged pistons,,,,ect ect. Get my point? By the way, congrats to the guy who built his motor up [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[ssms5411]

Thanks to all that replied in a postive way, for those who didn't, this is a hobby for me and if I wanted a LS1 I would go buy one. I bought the car new in 1996 and I plan on keeping it. I'm still having trouble with the engine, my valve guide totally broke off on the #1 piston. So I'm having them put on another head on. Should get it back tomorrow or Sat. I'll keep ya posted once I get the blower back on.

[Tiago]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Shirl:
The Powerdyne has a lot of potential just as any other blower. It WAS the ONE that started it all. As for not proving itself...Stefan, You yourself posted about how you are "intrigued" with my ET's and now want to copy my setup... Pretty ironic, huh? I'm wondering why you ALWAYS have to mention my name when posting negativity about the Powerdyne? Bottom line is, my car is fast as holy hell and I use a.....say it with me now...POWERDYNE SUPERCHARGER. Even better, there's still more to come, when I'm ready for the next step. The 9psi pulley is sitting right next me now. As for some of the other turbo/blown people, don't try and say you ran low 13's or 12's with JUST the blower. It makes me laugh when I read some of these posts. They are so misleading. Some of you have so much work done, it's not even funny. Rather than say: "I ran mid 13's with a 6psi turbo" SAY: "I ran mid 13's with 6psi, full exhaust, cam, headwork, porting, intake, forged pistons,,,,ect ect. Get my point? By the way, congrats to the guy who built his motor up [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] <hr></blockquote>


I was never putting it down, people jsut completely took it out of context. btw I wasn't saying I ran what I ran to put the powerdyne down, It was just to defend myself from some other posts I had to delete which were flaming me on that. Sorry for the confusion.