Electric Supercharger Response......DONT LOCK!

[Ian]

NOTICE
Ok guys, the guy who deals with this product is registering on our site as we speak. He is waiting for approval. But he sent me this email:

Ian:

Thomas Knight invites ANYONE who is sceptical to come down to our shop, fully inspect our product/setup, and then ride along in one of our ESC-400 charged vehicles. If you don't live down here, find somebody who does and have THEM come out.

We also challenge anyone who thinks we are frauds to contact the extremely reputable company who does our dynos, South Florida Performance (www.sfp.net), to see if we are making these gains up.

On Thursday we are doing dyno testing on a Nissan Altima and a 2.5 Ford Ranger. Both are stock and burning the tires through first gear. We understand everybody's scepticism, but we are a reputable company, we have been around a long time, and we are certianly not going to stake our entire business on a fraudulent product.

I would REALLY appreciate it if you could get the word out for us. Thanks, man!
NOTICE

[ December 09, 2003: Message edited by: Ian ]</p>

[Riles]

It seems like that setup could be more efficient if they ran the intake on a tee. There could be a flap that lets the engine suck freely when not under boost, then when it comes time for the blower, the boost would shut the flap and it would be time for fun!

Overall, I think its a step in an awesome direction.

[Ike]

Now the next step is to use a centrifugal blower with the electric motor to hold the blower at peak boost (or whatever the design point for the engine would be) and that way you wouldn't have to wait for the C.B. to "spool" and it would hit like a Roots. Fun Time.

But the additional weight of the new electrical system...I just...I mean, That's a lot of juice.

[Riles]

I remember a company called TurboDyne that had the compressor from a turbo driven by a motor. I think this is what you are talking about- it is a centrifugal blower.

But, that company said it was going to make it five years ago, and they still havent made any progress.

[Ike]

I do believe turbodynes was made of plastic. Eh...take that however you want.

[OutKlast]

Where in South Florida are they located?

[andrew N.]

http://www.turbodyne.com/

not plastic, but also doent exsist..........read about turbodyne and you'll see that there in alot of legal trouble.

[3.4 slow to go]

I remember seeing a 1/2 turbo set up w/electric motor on back of compressor. it did work, but needed about 6 car batteries to turn it fast enough to be effective. Iguess if oyu already have s slammed ride w/20 batteries in the trunk already, that'd be the go to set up ;)

[OutKlast]

How much CFM does 1 cylinder of a N/A 3800 Series II engine use?

Also with the way the timing is worked out does more then one cylinder injest air at a time, if so how many?

[Ian]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by OutKlast:
Where in South Florida are they located?<hr></blockquote>

i forget, do a search for Thomas Knight on yahoo and find the site. he is more than happy to give test rides.

and supposedly they are pretty fun rides too!

[redbird00]

just put a leaf blower in the engine bay, turn it on, and hood it up to the tb... simple as that...

merlin

[Ike]

Like this:

Not My Car

[ December 12, 2003: Message edited by: Ike ]</p>

[atsturbo]

I am always happy to give answers to any good questions.
We use a Y--with a check valve--2-1/2" in diameter--to allow the engine to breath when in NA form.
The large version ESC-550 will be out in Feb, and the F150 4.2 V6 guys are waiting for that.
If someone has a Camaro V6 or V8, or any engine with an existing quality turbo or supercharger kit, I ALWAYS direct them to buy one or the other. My site even says the same thing. But for the 82% of the Import and small domestic cars there is absolutely nothing available. So the option is NOX, custom turbo or custom SC. The latter two cost at least $4500 installed, and for a REAL nice kit $6K and up.
On to reality--We had some runs at SFP 12-11 (Miami). We issued a challenge for anyone to show up and watch, and a dozen showed up. A Ranger--just completed the installation 20 minutes before we took it there--had a loose connection on a solenoid and toasted it during the first and only dyno run. We did niot have a spare. One baseline and one dyno run--saw 40hp across the board at 3-4 psi boost(no peak--40 EVERWHERE).
Then we hooked up MY car. This is a '98 Altima with a bone stock 2.4 4-cyl KADE with auto trans. These are 17 sec cars when stock, and mine has an extra 1000 lb in stereo, 1000 watt amp, molded body kit, wheels, tires, suspension--it is a show car, but never-the-less a REAL road slug. We saw numbers that DEFY anything ever seen, yet the Avenger V6 did EXACTLY the same thing. Over 120 extra hp down low at only 5 psi. There is some phenomenon occuring here that I believe is the VE of the engine being raised to numbers approaching 150% at low rpm, when stock they are 60-70%. There is NO other explaination for this. 105 hp wheel up to 184 wheel hp on a FLAT LINE, and 130 tq jumped to 219 tq again on a FLAT LINE. Go check it out on my website.
We will run the car at Moroso during the Sport Compact Import Nats next weekend. Come on out if you can. You will see a 3800 lb 4-cyl 17.5 second car run a high 14 to low 15 at 5 psi with the push of a button. Sport Compact is doing a series on the car there anyway.

[atsturbo]

Here is what happened to Turbodyne:
Turbodyne was a good design, but they were limited by the companies desire to be regenerative at 12V. Had they been willing to switch to a 36V or 48V setup with extra batteries and a 15KW motor they would have by now OWNED the import race market--VERY poor business decision. They sold stock under the false promise (and were charged with felony fraud) because they gave falsified technical papers to Honeywell as part of a proposed merger. The chief officers KNEW the units were limited (4KW), but they instructed the engineers to make claims that almost got past the Honeywell inspectors. They were just three (3) days away from the first contract signing.
I had ALL their models at one time or another--the Turbopac, the T3-spool-up adapter, etc. I was sure from their literature they had the answer, but when used in actual testing it fell WAY short.
In their merger proposal Turbodyne had claimed 5-7 psi on any engine up to 3.5 liter all the way to redline. The engineers at Honeywell looked over the data several times, and did not realize the numbers did not add up. It was a stroke of luck that an engineer pointed this out to the lead investigator as he had done the calculations for his college thesis for his degree in engineering. He KNEW that the numbers did NOT correlate with what he had found a few years earlier. So they almost got the BILLIONS in funding they wanted. Instead, the Turbodyne stock plummeted and the corporate leaders were charged with fraud by the FCC. They were forced to sell the technology to Visteon who is using a 2000 watt system in Europe (even smaller than the original). Turbodyne now is ONLY focused on the generator inside the turbo for waste-gas energy recovery.
My system is the absolute best there is. It is limited, but only for a short while. As battery technology develops faster discharge batteries my design will become more efficient. The new BatCap design with half battery and half capacitor is promising. SUPER fast discharge and recharge. 400 amps in a 5lb batcap. I am trying them on my racecar in a few months.

[OutKlast]

Few questions:

Is that 15 second's at maximum boost?

How long does it take to re-charge?